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has anyone put a 1tb in their macbook pros ?

Henry GQ 7:31 PM - 7 March, 2010
i was looking at installing a bigger hard drive on my mackbook pro 2.33
and google'd on this topic...

seeing how most of my gigs are now music videos, it would save me some energy NOT setting up an external and just going with ONLY a macbook laptop and when i do only music gigs i can bring along an external

anyone?
kryptonitednb 8:50 PM - 7 March, 2010
I didn't know they made a 1tb 2.5"?
Henry GQ 8:54 PM - 7 March, 2010
western digital...
they are going for about 200 bucks..
Psyphris 8:55 PM - 7 March, 2010
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I didn't know they made a 1tb 2.5"?

They do, they're fairly expensive compared to 500gb or 640gb ones though.
Psyphris 8:58 PM - 7 March, 2010
However, there are numerous people saying the hard drive does not fit in all laptop spots, so that would be something to look into.
Henry GQ 8:59 PM - 7 March, 2010
yeah... im def leaning towards picking this up.. tired of carrying an external around with me..
MSF 8:59 PM - 7 March, 2010
I think the 750gb and 1tb 2.5" drives that Western Digital puts out are 12.5mm in height... I think only the 2.5" drives that use the 9.5mm height will fit into a macbook/mbp.

So.. I dont think the 1TB or 750gb drive will fit into a macbook/mbp.
Henry GQ 8:59 PM - 7 March, 2010
i wanna do work on my library.. i gotta hook up the external too. which can be tedious after doing it every few days..
MSF 9:00 PM - 7 March, 2010
westerndigital.com

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*750 GB and 1 TB models are 12.5 mm high and may not be compatible with all notebook systems.
Henry GQ 9:01 PM - 7 March, 2010
ur saying this wont fit into a macbook ?
MSF 9:02 PM - 7 March, 2010
correct.
Psyphris 9:03 PM - 7 March, 2010
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ur saying this wont fit into a macbook ?

You should do some research to figure out if a 12.5mm drive will fit into a macbook. From what I've read it probably won't.
Henry GQ 9:03 PM - 7 March, 2010
ahhh that fuckin sucks... im glad i didnt go ahead and purchase this thing. any suggestions for a 1tb ?
MSF 9:04 PM - 7 March, 2010
I think the largest capacity drive that will fit into the macbook/mbp would be the 640Gb from Western Digital, as it uses the 9.5mm height form factor.
lost vegas 9:04 PM - 7 March, 2010
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I think the 750gb and 1tb 2.5" drives that Western Digital puts out are 12.5mm in height... I think only the 2.5" drives that use the 9.5mm height will fit into a macbook/mbp.

So.. I dont think the 1TB or 750gb drive will fit into a macbook/mbp.



You hit the nail on the head with that!!!! I was going to get one but this stopped me... So I got a 500gb 72000rpm instead.
kryptonitednb 9:17 PM - 7 March, 2010
^^. That's what I meant. I just replaced mine so I was going to be mad!!
Henry GQ 9:23 PM - 7 March, 2010
well either way.. anyone with a 1tb solution? i dont know if i can get away with 750 gigs..
Psyphris 9:53 PM - 7 March, 2010
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well either way.. anyone with a 1tb solution? i dont know if i can get away with 750 gigs..

I don't think there currently is one. You might just have to wait a bit.
Henry GQ 9:58 PM - 7 March, 2010
thats what im thinkin. which is fine with me. o well... and the wait begins!
latindj 4:49 AM - 8 March, 2010
I think you can buy a kit and install a 2nd drive internally but you got to get rid of the superdrive...
Henry GQ 4:53 AM - 8 March, 2010
will this equate to 1tb of storage ?
Gor 8:19 AM - 8 March, 2010
yeh cos u could install 2 x 500gb
Henry GQ 8:22 AM - 8 March, 2010
hmmm
that might be a way to go =]

anyone do that yet ?
Dj.Mojo 8:37 AM - 8 March, 2010
A friend of mine installed the 1TB WD in his Macbook pro.
Unfortunately the load times where simply way too long. Screen froze many times for about 10 seconds when loading a song.
I would wait till technology proceeds and buy one in spring/summer.
Henry GQ 8:38 AM - 8 March, 2010
i think were about 6 months away from seeing 1 possibly 2tb to fit into a macbook
geeunot 11:52 AM - 8 March, 2010
Would it reduce load times if the video was on the internal HD or the external HD? I do video and music but currently they are both on the external. What would you guys suggest in terms of efficiency. I've heard some guys put videos on the external and mix audio from the internal.
DJMark 1:33 PM - 8 March, 2010
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A friend of mine installed the 1TB WD in his Macbook pro.
Unfortunately the load times where simply way too long. Screen froze many times for about 10 seconds when loading a song.
I would wait till technology proceeds and buy one in spring/summer.


If your friend has the 15" "unibody" Macbook Pro released in mid-2009, you may be seeing problems with SATA-2 drives causing major system slowdowns (a lot of beachball-ing).

I dealt with this a couple months ago trying to get a new drive working in a friend's MBP, and had to "downgrade" the firmware to make things work well.

But I would instinctively avoid those 12.5 mm 750gb and 1tb WD drives...among other things, the fact that they had to slow the platters from the normal 5400 down to 5200rpm tells me they may be pushing the (reliable) limits.

I've been using the 640gb WD drives (normal 9mm height, 5400rpm) for a few months now, and they've been fine.
boabmatic 5:13 PM - 8 March, 2010
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A friend of mine installed the 1TB WD in his Macbook pro.
Unfortunately the load times where simply way too long. Screen froze many times for about 10 seconds when loading a song.
I would wait till technology proceeds and buy one in spring/summer.


I had this when I installed a WD 650Gb 5400k drive in my mid 2009 MBP 13inch... but installed this and it stopped the pauses.

mckinlay.net.nz

There is also reports of issues with Mid 2009 and newer machines having issues with aftermarket drives when using 1.7 EFI (due to this enables full 3.0 SATA 2 speeds as these units shipped with capped 1.5 SATA transfer speeds.

full discussions are here...
discussions.apple.com
latindj 5:20 PM - 8 March, 2010
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I've been using the 640gb WD drives (normal 9mm height, 5400rpm) for a few months now, and they've been fine.


I think 2 of these would be ideal...
latindj 5:21 PM - 8 March, 2010
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Would it reduce load times if the video was on the internal HD or the external HD? I do video and music but currently they are both on the external. What would you guys suggest in terms of efficiency. I've heard some guys put videos on the external and mix audio from the internal.


I use an external firewire drive for vids and internal for audio and don't really see any difference in load times at all...
Dj-M.Bezzle 7:22 PM - 8 March, 2010
i think im going to use the 640 internal for music and a firewire 1TB for vid
Henry GQ 8:32 PM - 8 March, 2010
i already did the firewire 800 on the external and its a 2tb.
the_black_one 8:55 PM - 8 March, 2010
you guys drive me crazy................. here you go for all the folks that would like to put a terabyte in their MBP .....eshop.macsales.com
Henry GQ 8:58 PM - 8 March, 2010
yeah.. somebody said it wont fit.
Dj-M.Bezzle 8:59 PM - 8 March, 2010
and its 5200 RPM, its slow as hell
Dj-M.Bezzle 9:00 PM - 8 March, 2010
the nice think about the 640 is it havs several platters and is fast access
the_black_one 9:00 PM - 8 March, 2010
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and its 5200 RPM, its slow as hell


lol.....
Henry GQ 9:04 PM - 8 March, 2010
yeah i dunno

even at 5200 rpm it isnt that bad, will still run video and everythign else..
the_black_one 9:06 PM - 8 March, 2010
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and its 5200 RPM, its slow as hell



taking you to school............

1) i have ran a 5200 rpm 500 gig wd in my NON unibody MBP doing video (no problem)
2) i have ran a 5200 rpm 500 gig wd in my Unibody MBP doing video (no problem)
3) the faster it spins, the more heat it creates.
4)less heat = better performance
5)doing SSL and VSL on a 5200 rpm drive is better than 7200 because of the temp.

world!
Henry GQ 9:07 PM - 8 March, 2010
u tell him black_one
the_black_one 9:07 PM - 8 March, 2010
also..... the video card is very important for SSL not just the HD
Henry GQ 9:08 PM - 8 March, 2010
yeah.. but even with the macbooks.. i thought ur stuck with what u got ? or no ?

i have the 2.33 does that mean im stuck ?
the_black_one 9:08 PM - 8 March, 2010
dont just base you opinion on one thing.... Video graphics are very important, ventilation, and ram
the_black_one 9:09 PM - 8 March, 2010
stuck with what?
Henry GQ 9:09 PM - 8 March, 2010
the video card i currently have. how do i know ?
the_black_one 9:11 PM - 8 March, 2010
if your running a MBP of any kind your graphics card is fine
Dj-M.Bezzle 9:11 PM - 8 March, 2010
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and its 5200 RPM, its slow as hell



taking you to school............

1) i have ran a 5200 rpm 500 gig wd in my NON unibody MBP doing video (no problem)
2) i have ran a 5200 rpm 500 gig wd in my Unibody MBP doing video (no problem)
3) the faster it spins, the more heat it creates.
4)less heat = better performance
5)doing SSL and VSL on a 5200 rpm drive is better than 7200 because of the temp.

world!

yes 5200 works great for 500 gig, with a terraqbyte drive your doubling the storage compacity but maintaining the same access speed you were using to access the smaller drive, also how many platters is your 500 using, the 640 drive uses multiple platters which make it faster than a 500 5400 using a single platter
the_black_one 9:12 PM - 8 March, 2010
just stick 4 gigs of ram and that WD 1 terabyte and you will be fine
Henry GQ 9:13 PM - 8 March, 2010
i already have 4 gigss of ram in muh shit
Dj-M.Bezzle 9:13 PM - 8 March, 2010
the ram dosent determine the access rate to the terrabyte of info your storing on that platter
the_black_one 9:14 PM - 8 March, 2010
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the ram dosent determine the access rate to the terrabyte of info your storing on that platter




obvious..
Dj-M.Bezzle 9:14 PM - 8 March, 2010
also this note for the drive

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*750 GB and 1 TB models are 12.5 mm high and may not be compatible with all notebook systems. Consult system specifications for maximum allowable drive height before attempting to install.


may be something to think about
the_black_one 9:16 PM - 8 March, 2010
look..... SSL will work just fine on any MBP with built in graphics card and more than two gigs of ram.

the HD you decide to use is up to you....if it fits then it works!
Henry GQ 9:17 PM - 8 March, 2010
i have a radeon x1600
Henry GQ 9:18 PM - 8 March, 2010
haha
thats what i wanna do!
i would prefer to have 2tb on my shit.. but. umm yeah
Dj-M.Bezzle 9:19 PM - 8 March, 2010
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look..... SSL will work just fine on any MBP with built in graphics card and more than two gigs of ram.

the HD you decide to use is up to you....if it fits then it works!



ture SSL will work fine but beyone that different componets will cause the computer as a whole to perform differently, and not ALL drives will fit in all laptops
Dj-M.Bezzle 9:19 PM - 8 March, 2010
if your HD wont fit in your laptop it MAY affect SSL performance lol
Dj-M.Bezzle 9:20 PM - 8 March, 2010
Fits all Apple MacBook & MacBook Pro 'Unibody' Models (13/15/17"), MacBook Pro 'pre-unibody' 17" models,
Henry GQ 9:20 PM - 8 March, 2010
well... i got a call into 2 different apple stores.. to see what they say..
MSF 9:31 PM - 8 March, 2010
Some peeps say that the 12.5mm drive will fit into a macbook.. others are saying that the drive will not fit...

This article says that the 12.5mm drive will not fit into the 13" and 15" MBPs...

www.tuaw.com

Hopefully, the call to apple will clear things up.
Dj-M.Bezzle 9:32 PM - 8 March, 2010
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Fits all Apple MacBook & MacBook Pro 'Unibody' Models (13/15/17"), MacBook Pro 'pre-unibody' 17" models,


this is what the website says...its worth a shot
skratchworx 9:44 PM - 8 March, 2010
2 terrabytes of internal storage? Do you really need that much space when you play out?

Seems that the days of taking a couple of record bags out (and that being ample) are well and truly over.
Dj-M.Bezzle 9:45 PM - 8 March, 2010
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2 terrabytes of internal storage? Do you really need that much space when you play out?
.


..i do HD videos are hella big
Henry GQ 9:48 PM - 8 March, 2010
well... u gotta consider i do 4 different nights..

of course all music video.

one night is a teen night. the next is a retro night.. the following is upper tempo stuff.. and the 4th is everything...just a mash up up of all thos nights...

plus i need to get audio side back in order for out of town gigs as well..

so yeah... its a lot
MSF 9:49 PM - 8 March, 2010
This discussion here leads me to believe that the 1TB 12.5mm drive will not fit into my 13" MBP.

discussions.info.apple.com
MSF 9:50 PM - 8 March, 2010
Also, it seems peeps that did install the 1tb drive into their MBP had really slow access times to their data. (spinning beachball)
Dj-M.Bezzle 9:51 PM - 8 March, 2010
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and its 5200 RPM, its slow as hell


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and its 5200 RPM, its slow as hell



taking you to school............

1) i have ran a 5200 rpm 500 gig wd in my NON unibody MBP doing video (no problem)
2) i have ran a 5200 rpm 500 gig wd in my Unibody MBP doing video (no problem)
3) the faster it spins, the more heat it creates.
4)less heat = better performance
5)doing SSL and VSL on a 5200 rpm drive is better than 7200 because of the temp.

world!

Quote:
Also, it seems peeps that did install the 1tb drive into their MBP had really slow access times to their data. (spinning beachball)




...just sayin
Billy18bm 3:29 PM - 9 March, 2010
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and its 5200 RPM, its slow as hell



taking you to school............

1) i have ran a 5200 rpm 500 gig wd in my NON unibody MBP doing video (no problem)
2) i have ran a 5200 rpm 500 gig wd in my Unibody MBP doing video (no problem)
3) the faster it spins, the more heat it creates.
4)less heat = better performance
5)doing SSL and VSL on a 5200 rpm drive is better than 7200 because of the temp.

world!


so performance is based on heat now? and btw a 500 gig @ 5200 is completely different than a 1 gig @ 5200.
Dj-M.Bezzle 3:38 PM - 9 March, 2010
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and its 5200 RPM, its slow as hell



taking you to school............

1) i have ran a 5200 rpm 500 gig wd in my NON unibody MBP doing video (no problem)
2) i have ran a 5200 rpm 500 gig wd in my Unibody MBP doing video (no problem)
3) the faster it spins, the more heat it creates.
4)less heat = better performance
5)doing SSL and VSL on a 5200 rpm drive is better than 7200 because of the temp.

world!



another question...why do you have a 5200 in your MBP...isnt 5400 the standard?? What drive are you using now
Billy18bm 4:25 PM - 9 March, 2010
btw that's that's what I meant as well 5400
Dj-M.Bezzle 4:28 PM - 9 March, 2010
to clarrify the terrabyte drive in question is 5200 the stock macbookpro drive is 5400, most 500 and the 640 gig is 5400, most highspeed is 7200 RPM

5200 being a downgrade in speed from the stock laptop HD, so if you have a 5200 HD in your computer there are MUCH better drives out there for you, especially the 640 5400 RPM

is school out yet??
Dj-M.Bezzle 4:34 PM - 9 March, 2010
furthermore

Quote:

1) i have ran a 5200 rpm 500 gig wd in my NON unibody MBP doing video (no problem)
2) i have ran a 5200 rpm 500 gig wd in my Unibody MBP doing video (no problem)
3) the faster it spins, the more heat it creates.
4)less heat = better performance
5)doing SSL and VSL on a 5200 rpm drive is better than 7200 because of the temp.



furthermore you do realise most of the points you bring up here have nothing to do with HD speed right???....1,2,5 have nore to do with processor speed, ram, and the video card moreso than the speed of your HD, the slow hd is going to affect track loading, searching and booting of the PC...things liek indexing and data retrieval
DJ CISCO 8:12 PM - 9 March, 2010
I have the 750 WD hard drive 12.5mm height, in me pre-unibody macbook pro 17 incher 2.4ghz 4 gigs of ram..
WORKS GREAT with VIDEO and AUDIO...
it does lag a little on start up but I have had ZERO issues, ZERO crashes..

My boy put the same one (750 WD) in his Unibody macbook pro 13 incher as soon as he got it. It fit but he had mad issues with beachballs and waves disappearing and reappearing in Serato so he put his original back. He was also only doing audio.

Go figure..
Dj-M.Bezzle 8:13 PM - 9 March, 2010
do you have the 17 in preunibody mac??
Dj-M.Bezzle 8:14 PM - 9 March, 2010
ya that drive is supposed to work fine with the unibody and preunibody 17 in ch.....12 and 15 inch unibodys cant handle it without a workaround
DJMark 1:07 AM - 10 March, 2010
There are a whole bunch of different issues confused in this thread.

1) Some of the recent MacBook Pro models (I know about the 15-inch for sure, since I personally dealt with it) will have problems with replacement SATA-2 drives because of an odd problem with the onboard SATA controller. If you're seeing frequent beachballs and terrible performance in SSL ("running out of waveforms") after changing out the internal hard drive, you are probably seeing this issue. The fix, for now, is to downgrade the firmware...something that can either be done at the Apple Store or by finding an unsupported "downgrade" tool online.

2) Some newer hard drives incorporate "Advanced Power Management", which will cause them to constantly park/unpark the heads when installed in a Mac. The solution for that is kind of a hack:

mymacfixes.blogspot.com

This also fixed problems I was having with a new 2TB drive in my (desktop) Mac Pro.

3) The 12.5mm 750gig/1TB Western Digital drives WILL PHYSICALLY FIT into any current MacBook Pro. If you're seeing some kind of extreme performance issues after installing, refer back to 1 & 2 above. However, I still have reservations (as I've mentioned before in some detail) about whether it's a good idea to use these drives or not.
Dj Nyce 6:21 PM - 24 March, 2010
you silly rabbits. The 333GB platters in the 1TB are much smaller than the platters in a desktop drive = high areal density = higher performance. The fact that it spins at 5200 rpm vs 5400 rpm is a mute point. Compared to a 500gb 5400RPM 2.5" the avg seek times are almost the same, but access times suffer.

Also if you want the 2.5" 1TB for cheap, buy a western digital mypassport 1TB and rip the hd out. It's the same one, but cheaper.
DJ Michael Basic 8:14 AM - 25 March, 2010
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Also if you want the 2.5" 1TB for cheap, buy a western digital mypassport 1TB and rip the hd out. It's the same one, but cheaper.


Not sure about this particular one...but usually, WD uses drives with a much smaller cache in their externals. Make sure you check the specs before doing this.
the_black_one 1:58 PM - 25 March, 2010
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Also if you want the 2.5" 1TB for cheap, buy a western digital mypassport 1TB and rip the hd out. It's the same one, but cheaper.


Not sure about this particular one...but usually, WD uses drives with a much smaller cache in their externals. Make sure you check the specs before doing this.



it is not a sata connection! stay away from this external drive if you want to rip it out and put it in your lappy
Dj Nyce 5:33 PM - 25 March, 2010
all the new mypassport essential (new body style) uses sata hdd's. i'm even sure the old ones did too.
Dj Nyce 5:39 PM - 25 March, 2010
ok, i stand corrected. it is a sata hdd, but there is some interface attached to it that cannot be removed.

www.xlr8yourmac.com

also some conflicting info stating that it was a normal sata interface.
forums.macrumors.com

dunno maybe wd changed the interface after the initial release...
MSF 5:42 PM - 25 March, 2010
its important to check the warranty information on those pre-packaged external drives... I think they usually have a 1-year warranty . I think if you buy the drive by itself, it has like a 3 or 5 yr warranty (Depending on manufacturer).
DJ Guayo 7:30 PM - 25 March, 2010
wtf?!?!?! these fockers will not say the type of HD they are using. Seems they are able to place a 1 TB HD. So either the rig it and make it work or they have access to a 1TB HD that fits a unibody macbook pro.

www.iresq.com
Dj Nyce 8:24 PM - 25 March, 2010
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wtf?!?!?! these fockers will not say the type of HD they are using. Seems they are able to place a 1 TB HD. So either the rig it and make it work or they have access to a 1TB HD that fits a unibody macbook pro.

www.iresq.com


WD has the only 2.5" 1TB drive. maybe the 5400 rpm is a misprint.
dj-freestyle 9:09 PM - 25 March, 2010
Just put a 650 in my unibody pro and from all the research i did that seem to be the best size for speed and fit at this point.
DJ Michael Basic 9:34 PM - 25 March, 2010
I don't think there is such a thing as a non sata 2.5" hard drive that is larger than 160gb. Correct me if I'm wrong.
DJMark 5:31 AM - 26 March, 2010
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I don't think there is such a thing as a non sata 2.5" hard drive that is larger than 160gb. Correct me if I'm wrong.


Western Digital makes PATA 2.5-inch drives up to 320gb...that's the largest laptop-size old-style ATA drive I know of.
DJMark 5:39 AM - 26 March, 2010
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you silly rabbits. The 333GB platters in the 1TB are much smaller than the platters in a desktop drive = high areal density = higher performance. The fact that it spins at 5200 rpm vs 5400 rpm is a mute point. Compared to a 500gb 5400RPM 2.5" the avg seek times are almost the same, but access times suffer.


The silly rabbit would be you, since the areal density of the 3-platter 1TB drives is actually higher than that of either the 500 or 640gb drives (both of which use 2 platters). Oh, and you mis-spelled "MOOT" for the context you used it in. :-)

My concerns about the 3-platter drives are more related to heat. I'm guessing that the reason for WD slowing those drives down by 200rpm (they were originally announced as 5400rpm drives) was because they were running too hot at the standard 5400rpm spindle speed. And possibly vibration and noise was a problem.

I've had good luck so far with 3 of the WD 640gb drives...one in my main, one in my backup, one in an external FW800 case. They run very quiet and stay cool.
Dj Nyce 2:03 PM - 26 March, 2010
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you silly rabbits. The 333GB platters in the 1TB are much smaller than the platters in a desktop drive = high areal density = higher performance. The fact that it spins at 5200 rpm vs 5400 rpm is a mute point. Compared to a 500gb 5400RPM 2.5" the avg seek times are almost the same, but access times suffer.


The silly rabbit would be you, since the areal density of the 3-platter 1TB drives is actually higher than that of either the 500 or 640gb drives (both of which use 2 platters). Oh, and you mis-spelled "MOOT" for the context you used it in. :-)

My concerns about the 3-platter drives are more related to heat. I'm guessing that the reason for WD slowing those drives down by 200rpm (they were originally announced as 5400rpm drives) was because they were running too hot at the standard 5400rpm spindle speed. And possibly vibration and noise was a problem.

I've had good luck so far with 3 of the WD 640gb drives...one in my main, one in my backup, one in an external FW800 case. They run very quiet and stay cool.


i was only referring to 3.5" drives. but alas i did spell moot incorrectly. lol. i type faster than i think.
DJ Guayo 3:02 PM - 31 March, 2010
just wanted to let the Serato fam know that i was able to successfully install a 1.0 TB Western Digital on a Macbook Pro 2.66 GHz, Mid June 2009, Model MB985*/A.... i have pics as well... will be posting soon
Shawny D 8:24 AM - 1 April, 2010
www.newegg.com

Fresh out the oven.

$110, 750 GB, 5400 RPM, 2.5", 9.5mm height. This'll definitely fit. (No homo.)
DJ Unique 5:13 AM - 9 April, 2010
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www.newegg.com

Fresh out the oven.

$110, 750 GB, 5400 RPM, 2.5", 9.5mm height. This'll definitely fit. (No homo.)

Thanks for the info.
Just purchased one of these to put in my 2007 MBPro.
Shawny D 7:13 AM - 9 April, 2010
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www.newegg.com

Fresh out the oven.

$110, 750 GB, 5400 RPM, 2.5", 9.5mm height. This'll definitely fit. (No homo.)

Thanks for the info.
Just purchased one of these to put in my 2007 MBPro.



Jealous.
DJ Unique 7:13 AM - 11 April, 2010
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www.newegg.com

Fresh out the oven.

$110, 750 GB, 5400 RPM, 2.5", 9.5mm height. This'll definitely fit. (No homo.)

Thanks for the info.
Just purchased one of these to put in my 2007 MBPro.



Jealous.

LOL
I'm supposed to get it Thursday.
Now I gotta figure out how to swap and clone the HD.
Where's that Snow Leopard CD I've never used.
Shawny D 12:40 PM - 11 April, 2010
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www.newegg.com

Fresh out the oven.

$110, 750 GB, 5400 RPM, 2.5", 9.5mm height. This'll definitely fit. (No homo.)

Thanks for the info.
Just purchased one of these to put in my 2007 MBPro.



Jealous.

LOL
I'm supposed to get it Thursday.
Now I gotta figure out how to swap and clone the HD.
Where's that Snow Leopard CD I've never used.


1). Put new HDD in external enclosure.

2). Clone current internal HDD to your new one using this. www.shirt-pocket.com

3.) Swap out old HDD for the new one.
Shawny D 12:41 PM - 11 April, 2010
And for info on actually swapping out the HDD, I use this. www.ifixit.com

Or you can just youtube it, which could provide a better visual guide.
djchase 10:28 PM - 11 April, 2010
hey one question guys for all the people using the 5200 rpm drives dont you get a bit of lag with loading songs on a deck in SL? or is it just me
djchase 10:28 PM - 11 April, 2010
5400** sorry
Dj Nyce 11:07 PM - 11 April, 2010
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hey one question guys for all the people using the 5200 rpm drives dont you get a bit of lag with loading songs on a deck in SL? or is it just me


i'm using the 500gb western digital. i do not get any lag loading mp3's, videos or doing anything else on the laptop. i use vmware, premiere and after effects on a daily basis.
djchase 11:12 PM - 11 April, 2010
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hey one question guys for all the people using the 5200 rpm drives dont you get a bit of lag with loading songs on a deck in SL? or is it just me


i'm using the 500gb western digital. i do not get any lag loading mp3's, videos or doing anything else on the laptop. i use vmware, premiere and after effects on a daily basis.


ah geeze what could it bee then i have a 500gb WD right not in a external case that i had in my MBP but it was loading my tracks a few milisec late more times i need to do fast drops but the deck would freeze but with the 7200 it would drop fine
TreyPeezyDot 11:37 PM - 27 April, 2010
At the rate technology is going, it will fit soon. But by that time they will be 2tb. I had an 80 in my mbp. Got a 500gb from frys and popped him in. (no homo)
Res-Q 3:15 AM - 17 May, 2010
Hey guys any update on new 1T drives available for unibody macs?

Is Shawny's 750GB one still the best available for the money?

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www.newegg.com

Fresh out the oven.

$110, 750 GB, 5400 RPM, 2.5", 9.5mm height. This'll definitely fit. (No homo.)
DJMark 3:58 AM - 17 May, 2010
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Hey guys any update on new 1T drives available for unibody macs?


The 12.5 mm 1TB WD drives will fit into a unibody Macbook Pro just fine.

But the 750gb 9mm WD drives are a much better value (cost per gigabyte), and are likely to be considerably faster/cooler.
Henry GQ 4:10 PM - 17 May, 2010
hey mark, have u seen anything for the new 17 2.66 ?

can we put 1tb or bigger into those ?
Dj Nyce 7:52 PM - 17 May, 2010
there aren't any 2.5" 9-13mm drives out larger then 1tb. The 2.5" hd's are maxing at out their physical limits (case size, platter size, areal density). Unless they have some magic pixie dust, i don't see any hd's with moving parts getting bigger than 1tb.
Dj Nyce 7:53 PM - 17 May, 2010
oh and yeah the 12.mm wd 1tb can fit in the new mpb's.
Res-Q 8:29 PM - 17 May, 2010
thanks Mark & Nyce I'll go for the 750 then.
Demongeek 4:28 PM - 5 June, 2010
I've put the WD 1TB drive in my 1st gen Unibody MBPro 17" as well as the i7 MBP 17".

The 12.5mm drives fit inside the unibody enclosure without issue. However, there is a significant speed hit with the 1TB drives. I am not exactly sure what the problem is (perhaps the SATA issue that has been described elsewhere in this thread?) but using XBench as a reference, my new i7 MBP pulls about 175 rating with the stock 500 GB 5400 Hitachi drive. With the 1TB WD drive 5200, I am only getting about 142-147.

Clearly there is an issue here beyond the rotational speed, but until I figure it out, I have decided to put the 500GB Hitachi back in my computer and use an external FW800 drive.
MSF 4:55 PM - 7 June, 2010
Thanks for the report Demongeek.

We were suspecting that people may experience the issues you have encountered with the 1TB 12.5mm drive.
nik39 7:57 PM - 7 June, 2010
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I've put the WD 1TB drive in my 1st gen Unibody MBPro 17" as well as the i7 MBP 17".

The 12.5mm drives fit inside the unibody enclosure without issue. However, there is a significant speed hit with the 1TB drives. I am not exactly sure what the problem is (perhaps the SATA issue that has been described elsewhere in this thread?) but using XBench as a reference, my new i7 MBP pulls about 175 rating with the stock 500 GB 5400 Hitachi drive. With the 1TB WD drive 5200, I am only getting about 142-147.

Clearly there is an issue here beyond the rotational speed, but until I figure it out, I have decided to put the 500GB Hitachi back in my computer and use an external FW800 drive.

Does it have to do with the sectors being 4k instead of 512Bytes internally?
DJMark 8:20 PM - 7 June, 2010
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Does it have to do with the sectors being 4k instead of 512Bytes internally?


I doubt that's the issue, because I'm using the WD 750-gig (9mm-height/two-platter/"advanced format") drives in a pair of MacBook Pro's with no such speed issues. My i7 MacBook Pro just benchmarked at 187.58 with Xbench.
popnwave 8:45 PM - 7 June, 2010
I am looking at that Seagate drive 500GB/4GB SSD combo. Can't see myself 1TB internally plus I feel better not having my library on the same drive as my OS for clutter reasons.
nik39 8:48 PM - 7 June, 2010
WD 750GB 9mm/2 platter?? When did that come out?
nik39 8:52 PM - 7 June, 2010
Oh, I see.. April. Wow, totally missed that.
Res-Q 9:11 PM - 7 June, 2010
Are they available in Germany Nik?
I'm waiting on WD to sell them in France they're not available yet.
nik39 9:18 PM - 7 June, 2010
www.heise.de <- looks like. This is how the prices varied.

However it seems like they are "sold out" currently. That may explain the higher prices.
Res-Q 9:24 PM - 7 June, 2010
more than 15% increase in 2 months... wow
but the price is still cheaper than pre-orders here:
www.i-comparateur.com
I hope WD makes them available in France soon because I got less than 25G left on my MBP.
Res-Q 6:49 PM - 28 June, 2010
Ok my WD7500BPVT Scorpio Blue (750GB) just arrived in the mail.

Now before I go ahead and swap my actual HD on my MBP, I'd like to be sure to do it right, so I'll sum up what I'm about to do. Shawny D's explanation are a good start, but I wouldnt mind a more detailed howto.
If there's an error below, or better yet, if someone's got a few minutes to spare with me, send me an PM with your number so I can give you a call and you can guide me. (I'm in France so right now it's 8:45pm, so I can call within the next 3-4 hours).
Please bear with me, I'm not a mac user, the mac's sole purpose is for SL/VSL. I think I read to much about how to swap hd's and now I'm a bitconfused.

1-I installed Super Duper on the MBP.
2-I put my new 750 drive in a usb enclosure box (before going further, do I need to format it to "Mac OS Extended (journaled)" with Disc Utility or will Super Duper do that? I havent plugged it on the MBP yet.
3-I have Time Machine enabled, using a backup external hd (firewire). I just did a backup, then unplugged my firewire hd.
4-I'm not too sure about what settings to choose in Super Duper: all files/user files/Sandbox/ anything else?
What about the options, general & advanced?
5-Am I missing anything else to do?
6-After doing the swap, do I need to do something in the OS to (I dont know know how you say that in english, but on french forums I read about) "give back permissions/reset permissions"? How would I do that?

Thanks for the help.
Res-Q 7:41 PM - 28 June, 2010
PS I dont know if I'll need it, but I didnt get any install cd when I bought the mbp, so i hope I dont need it.
But I do have a brand new snow leopard cd which I never used (why fix something when it's not broke)
djmallon 7:52 PM - 28 June, 2010
I've been running the 1TB 12.5mm Scorpio blue in my i7 macbook pro. Was a bit hard to install, but was able to get through it.

Unfortunately, I now suffer a bit of a lag whenever I load tracks...nothing absolutely crazy, but it's not instantaneous like it was before sadly. Sometimes it'll be fine, and then it'll start laggin on other tracks.

I've tried HDAPM, disabling spotlight, bringing down the cache in SSL...nothing works. Not really a game breaker, but slightly annoying though.
Res-Q 10:46 PM - 28 June, 2010
This video has helped me with everything so far,
Watchwww.youtube.com
it's just that he doesn't talk about "permissions" at all. Anybody knows?
Res-Q 11:30 PM - 28 June, 2010
that link is great thanks Joee
dj-freestyle 3:14 PM - 21 September, 2010
Installed 1tb hard drive in 15 macbook pro last night, easy as cake and running great.
Dj-M.Bezzle 3:33 PM - 21 September, 2010
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Installed 1tb hard drive in 15 macbook pro last night, easy as cake and running great.



unibody?
dj-freestyle 3:41 PM - 21 September, 2010
ya bezzle. Running great.
Billy18bm 3:50 PM - 21 September, 2010
how about speed any lag vs what you were running before.
dj-freestyle 4:02 PM - 21 September, 2010
To be honest i really havent noticed a difference going from 7200 to 5400, Ive been running serato all morning and evrything else and cant really tell a difference. We will see as time passes.
dj-freestyle 4:03 PM - 21 September, 2010
I have 4gig memory and 1tb hard drive and seems to be moving pretty dam fast.
DJ Grenade 4:06 PM - 21 September, 2010
yo,
just put a second hard drive into my computer. goodbye optical drive. hahah i got the wd 1 tb drive in the main hd bay and the 500gb in the cd drive spot
DJ Guayo 4:26 PM - 21 September, 2010
i noticed a perfomance issue with my 1tb. I ended up putting in the 500gb 7200 rpm. Noticed a big performance boos. I ended up putting the 1tb in an external case.
finesse92 12:26 AM - 2 November, 2010
Anybody tried the Samsung Spinpoint 1TB 5400 RPM's Internal for MBP?

www.newegg.com

If so, is the difference between the 5200 RPMs in the WD and 5400 RPMs in the Samsung evident?
Tunecrew 1:06 AM - 2 November, 2010
i just put a Samsung 640 GB 7200 RPM in my aluminum MBP 15" - it runs great, and it is actually a lot quieter than the 320 GB 7200 RPM drive I had in there before.
finesse92 2:25 AM - 2 November, 2010
Thanks for the feedback Tunecrew. Is the 640GB the highest capacity at 7200 RPM's? If so I might have to go with the 1TB at 5400 and take my chances.
Tunecrew 2:35 AM - 2 November, 2010
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Thanks for the feedback Tunecrew. Is the 640GB the highest capacity at 7200 RPM's? If so I might have to go with the 1TB at 5400 and take my chances.


yes it is (at least up to the last month or so) - at least for 9.5 mm drives
SiRocket 9:13 AM - 2 November, 2010
optibay's rule! :)
djdonnydee 7:14 PM - 5 November, 2010
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I've been running the 1TB 12.5mm Scorpio blue in my i7 macbook pro. Was a bit hard to install, but was able to get through it.

Unfortunately, I now suffer a bit of a lag whenever I load tracks...nothing absolutely crazy, but it's not instantaneous like it was before sadly. Sometimes it'll be fine, and then it'll start laggin on other tracks.

I've tried HDAPM, disabling spotlight, bringing down the cache in SSL...nothing works. Not really a game breaker, but slightly annoying though.



does everybody with optibay hdd have problems loading tracks.... i'm getting the same lag when loading a track after 30 seconds of music playing... i just installed the MCE optibay caddy on my macbook pro 750gb WD HD.... this blews if there no fix.
djmallon 7:46 PM - 5 November, 2010
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does everybody with optibay hdd have problems loading tracks.... i'm getting the same lag when loading a track after 30 seconds of music playing... i just installed the MCE optibay caddy on my macbook pro 750gb WD HD.... this blews if there no fix.


no problems...perhaps check out HDAPM...could solve your problems.
djdonnydee 11:06 PM - 14 November, 2010
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Quote:


does everybody with optibay hdd have problems loading tracks.... i'm getting the same lag when loading a track after 30 seconds of music playing... i just installed the MCE optibay caddy on my macbook pro 750gb WD HD.... this blews if there no fix.


no problems...perhaps check out HDAPM...could solve your problems.


I've tried HDAPM and sudden motion senor.... still nothing works... slow when loading tracks.
SiRocket 8:08 AM - 15 November, 2010
just installed optibay on my 17inch unibody, works AWESOME! gigged all weekend with it.
DJ Remy USA 11:45 AM - 15 November, 2010
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Quote:


I've been running the 1TB 12.5mm Scorpio blue in my i7 macbook pro. Was a bit hard to install, but was able to get through it.

Unfortunately, I now suffer a bit of a lag whenever I load tracks...nothing absolutely crazy, but it's not instantaneous like it was before sadly. Sometimes it'll be fine, and then it'll start laggin on other tracks.

I've tried HDAPM, disabling spotlight, bringing down the cache in SSL...nothing works. Not really a game breaker, but slightly annoying though.



does everybody with optibay hdd have problems loading tracks.... i'm getting the same lag when loading a track after 30 seconds of music playing... i just installed the MCE optibay caddy on my macbook pro 750gb WD HD.... this blews if there no fix.


Is it the same tracks or all tracks? If its the HDs first time caching those files again it will be a short lag. You may need to reeinstall your OS cleanly. I had this same problem when I upgraded my HD.
djdonnydee 5:15 AM - 16 November, 2010
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Quote:


Quote:




I've been running the 1TB 12.5mm Scorpio blue in my i7 macbook pro. Was a bit hard to install, but was able to get through it.

Unfortunately, I now suffer a bit of a lag whenever I load tracks...nothing absolutely crazy, but it's not instantaneous like it was before sadly. Sometimes it'll be fine, and then it'll start laggin on other tracks.

I've tried HDAPM, disabling spotlight, bringing down the cache in SSL...nothing works. Not really a game breaker, but slightly annoying though.



does everybody with optibay hdd have problems loading tracks.... i'm getting the same lag when loading a track after 30 seconds of music playing... i just installed the MCE optibay caddy on my macbook pro 750gb WD HD.... this blews if there no fix.


Is it the same tracks or all tracks? If its the HDs first time caching those files again it will be a short lag. You may need to reeinstall your OS cleanly. I had this same problem when I upgraded my HD.


yeah its the tracks in white that havent been played on the new HD that have slow lag time....the ones i played already(green)on new HD load quick . even if all my tracks have build overviews should it still lag like that?
DJ Remy USA 6:06 AM - 16 November, 2010
^^^^ yep what is happing is that your OS is cataloguing all your files again. Your best bet is if you have your music in itunes highlight the first track and just hit the foward arrow to go through all your tracks. It will re learn the file path neccessary for your computer to access your data quicker. Its normal so you have nothing to worry about
djdonnydee 4:25 PM - 16 November, 2010
I dont use itunes for my music.... so i should be ok with the tracks loading like that for the first time ?
DJ Remy USA 5:07 PM - 16 November, 2010
yup yup nothing wrong with your music or your HD
djdonnydee 7:01 PM - 16 November, 2010
oh well.... so i guess there was no need for that HDAPM and sudden motion senor stuff. how can i load my songs onto itunes without putting the songs on my main internal HD? is this possible? i dont have space on my main drive
DJ Remy USA 3:47 AM - 18 November, 2010
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oh well.... so i guess there was no need for that HDAPM and sudden motion senor stuff. how can i load my songs onto itunes without putting the songs on my main internal HD? is this possible? i dont have space on my main drive


yea heres a few links that should get ya straight

www.tuaw.com

lifehacker.com
Dj 2 Cool C 2:14 AM - 28 January, 2011
using the 1TB western digital internal... 13" macbook pro unibody.

working perfectly.
Proto J 10:55 AM - 28 January, 2011
so any word on a 1TB @ 7200rpm available for a unibody macbook pro 15" any time soon?

if not i may do that thing where you can replace your disc drive and put a 750gb @ 7200rpm in there, giving me a total 1.25TB internal, all @ 7200rpm.

makes sense, i mean, i can't think of the last time i used the disc drive really. can still plug it in via usb. one thing's for sure, doing video soon, if i don't do it i'll certainly be using an external more than i'd ever use that disc drive.
DJ Remy USA 5:22 PM - 28 January, 2011
You can replace your CD drive with a HD? I didn't think the had the same connections. How would you secure it inside?
djmallon 6:00 PM - 28 January, 2011
You can, it's all SATA. You just need a hard drive caddy.
DJ Remy USA 9:42 PM - 28 January, 2011
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You can, it's all SATA. You just need a hard drive caddy.


point me in the right direction to find one that is compatiable with with a mac pro and Ima get me one. I have one of those new unibody pros
DJJorel 10:27 PM - 28 January, 2011
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point me in the right direction to find one that is compatiable with with a mac pro and Ima get me one. I have one of those new unibody pros


Look at places like Other World Computing and Maxupgrades. They sell the kits. I heard there are some cheaper ones on eBay also...
djmallon 10:29 PM - 28 January, 2011
I bought an MCE Optibay cause I wanted the external enclosure they include for the drive once you take it out.
Dj-M.Bezzle 10:31 PM - 28 January, 2011
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Quote:

You can, it's all SATA. You just need a hard drive caddy.


point me in the right direction to find one that is compatiable with with a mac pro and Ima get me one. I have one of those new unibody pros



store.mcetech.com
philldafunk 10:32 PM - 28 January, 2011
Just installed and migrated a 750gb w/ 8gb ram
djchrischip 4:19 AM - 29 January, 2011
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Just installed and migrated a 750gb w/ 8gb ram

sick
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so any word on a 1TB @ 7200rpm available for a unibody macbook pro 15" any time soon?

if not i may do that thing where you can replace your disc drive and put a 750gb @ 7200rpm in there, giving me a total 1.25TB internal, all @ 7200rpm.

makes sense, i mean, i can't think of the last time i used the disc drive really. can still plug it in via usb. one thing's for sure, doing video soon, if i don't do it i'll certainly be using an external more than i'd ever use that disc drive.

@protoj... plz let me kno wat, n how u do the upgrade, or if u run an external how u have ur stuff organized
DJJorel 10:37 AM - 29 January, 2011
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@protoj... plz let me kno wat, n how u do the upgrade, or if u run an external how u have ur stuff organized


I did exactly what protoj is thinking about doing. I have a 500GB 7200rpm internal primary drive. I used the kit from MacUpgrades.com to mount a 750GB 7200rpm in the spot where the CDROM used to be. And MaxUpgrades provided an external USB Powered enclosure for the CDROM. So now I have 1.25TB of internal storage...and an external USB-powered portable Superdrive for the few occasions that I need an optical drive. In addition to this, I have a 2TB drive at home that I use for Time Machine backups.

I helped one of my buddies upgrade his MacBook Pro almost the same exact way. But his primary drive is a 128GB SSD. His MacBook is pretty fast. It boots up about 15 seconds faster that what he had as a primary drive before (500GB 5400rpm). He keeps all of music and videos on the secondary internal drive (750GB 7200rpm). I also taught him how to use Time Machine, but he also keeps a portable 1TB drive in his bag that holds only his music, videos, and Serato databases.
Proto J 11:35 PM - 29 January, 2011
^ so just to be sure, is it the 128gb SSD ot yhr 750gb 7200rpm that's making his machine boot up 15 seconds faster?

i'm probably gonna try to find someone locally to help me install that 750gb 7200rpm in place of my cdrom... i replaced ram on my old powerbook, but that was super easy, and that's about all the experience i have with stuff like that.

unless you tell me where a good tutorial is and that it was fairly easy for you to do?

i might as well go ahead and add 4 more gb of ram while i got it open too...
Proto J 11:39 PM - 29 January, 2011
how do you organize stuff btw, DJJorel?

is it fairly easy and smart to, let's say, put audio and everything else on my 500gb, and strictly video on my 750gb?
Proto J 11:40 PM - 29 January, 2011
also, with that external USB-powered portable Superdrive, is it no problem to burn cd's with it?
djmallon 12:24 AM - 30 January, 2011
yup, no problem to burn CDs
DJJorel 12:39 PM - 30 January, 2011
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^ so just to be sure, is it the 128gb SSD ot yhr 750gb 7200rpm that's making his machine boot up 15 seconds faster?

i'm probably gonna try to find someone locally to help me install that 750gb 7200rpm in place of my cdrom... i replaced ram on my old powerbook, but that was super easy, and that's about all the experience i have with stuff like that.

unless you tell me where a good tutorial is and that it was fairly easy for you to do?

i might as well go ahead and add 4 more gb of ram while i got it open too...


Yeah...that SSD did make a difference, but I am not sure about how it affects overall performance. I'll hit him up and see...

And installing the bracket and replacing the hard drive is really easy. If you replaced RAM on the Powerbook, then you should be fine. If you want some reassurance, then look for some youtube videos and online tutorials on how to open your Macbook Pro. Once you see it, you'll see how easy it is...
DJMark 1:39 PM - 30 January, 2011
Booting and running apps from an SSD makes a HUGE difference in the overall performance of the computer. You'll see it most noticeably when booting and when launching large apps, but it will positively affect overall responsiveness of a lot of things.

Using an SSD also makes upgrading RAM a lot less critical. If your computer starts needing to hit the pagefile, it will slow things down way less if the pagefile is on an SSD compared to a regular hard drive.
Proto J 10:15 PM - 30 January, 2011
just found out my boy put a 750gb 7200rpm in place of his original internal. made me realize i could put that and the one in place of the cdrom and run with 1.5tb of internal space.

that's crazy!
anthracite98 9:24 AM - 31 January, 2011
How hard would it be to buy an SSD 3rd party and install that as the main drive on the mac. Seems like the apple store is soooooo expensive. But I've heard the SSD boot + apps and then caddy and/or external is the fastest way to go as well.
Proto J 10:11 AM - 31 January, 2011
so on the new mbp i just bought, i got a 500gb 7200. with the education discount it cost me $45.00 extra.

would that $45.00 have been better spent towards a 128gb SSD thru apple at $180 extra (minus the $45.00)?

i'm adding a 750gb 7200rpm in place of my cdrom. it'd be nice to have that 500gb of storage vs. 128gb SSD, but is the speed increase of the SSD really worth sacrificing that much space?
Proto J 11:03 AM - 31 January, 2011
wow, in this review i just read, it seems the SSD HD's apple are putting into their computers aren't likely very high quality (like an Intel X25-M SSD) when considering the price they offer them at.

to quote them:

"Apple isn’t saying which brand/model 128GB solid state drive is being offered in the MacBook Pro unibody. But at a lower price and higher capacity than the X25-M, and assuming the usual Apple pricing, there is a very good chance that it will not perform as well as the Intel X25-M reviewed here."

so it sounds like i'm good, and can just upgrade to a better SSD harddrive (not thru apple), perhaps later on when the price and capacity looks better, and hopefully by then there will be a 1TB @ 7200RPM option to stick in place of my CDROM (making up some for the space i'd be losing on the SSD).

besides, the review below basically seems to say that booting and launching programs is faster, but unless their actual tasks are being slowed by hard drive access (and whether it’s read speed or write speed), it's not really worth the capacity loss... because for most applications, drive performance doesn’t matter much once the application is running.

so i guess i should ask, do programs like SSL and ableton live rely on disk speed? if so, the intel X25-M is screaming fast, offering up to 3X the performance...

macperformanceguide.com
anthracite98 11:14 AM - 31 January, 2011
THis eshop.macsales.com is only $40 more than apple's and has good reviews of quality and durability. They have a kit as well that comes with tools, an enclosure, and software to clone the drive before you install it. Seems legit to get the standard mac internal, buy this SSD, and then buy whatever TB or 750G for the bay slot. Keep the 500G standard in the enclosure and then clone the SSD drive (which will now be the main internal) to the 500G weekly/monthly. That way if the SSD ever fails, you can replace it in 10 minutes and have your computer working (albeit slightly slower) again with the 500G drive.
Proto J 11:15 AM - 31 January, 2011
actually, upon further research, that review was b4 it became common knowledge that apple uses samsung SSD drives, which are apparently very poor.

"Don’t go with Apple’s factory-options for an SSD as they use slower Samsung drives and charge a premium for it which is unacceptable especially given how easy they are to replace."

damieng.com

www.anandtech.com
Proto J 11:21 AM - 31 January, 2011
anthracite98:

"not all SSD's are created equal" tho...

look how much faster these intel SSD's are compared to the rest:

www.anandtech.com

i'll def be going with an intel one (or something comparable) when i'm ready to go SSD (which will like be when they make a 1TB that runs at 7200rpm)...
anthracite98 11:22 AM - 31 January, 2011
Need to find up to date versions of that speed test (August 2009). I'm going to keep digging...
Proto J 11:25 AM - 31 January, 2011
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Keep the 500G standard in the enclosure and then clone the SSD drive (which will now be the main internal) to the 500G weekly/monthly.


hold up tho, does that above statement mean you can have both hooked up somehow (the SSD as your main internal and the 500GB standard) in addition to the one you put in your cdrom slot?

is that how you clone the SSD to the 500GB, cuz they're both hooked up?
Proto J 11:26 AM - 31 January, 2011
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Need to find up to date versions of that speed test (August 2009). I'm going to keep digging...


yeah, report back, but honestly, after reading up on it tonight, now i'm glad i didn't let apple rape me with a shitty SSD...
anthracite98 11:37 AM - 31 January, 2011
1. apple ssd for sure sucks

2. regarding what I think is a good solution: get standard apple HD. Buy an SSD and put it in an enclosure. Connect via USB and clone internal 500GB onto external SSD. Take both drives out and swap them. Then install large 1TB storage drive in DVD bay.

From now on, backup your internal SSD to your now external factory mac 500GB regularly. If the SSD fails, reswap and your good to go. I guess depending on how you clone the drive you could also use this as an external HD since you'll likely only get a 120G SSD Drive and have extra space (500 - 120G clone) Safest bet might be to just leave it alone as a clone. Another external for $80 wont break you.

3. www.storagereview.com Interesting read (Aug 2010)
DJMark 12:32 PM - 31 January, 2011
Both the OWC "Mercury Extreme" and the OCZ "Vertex" solid-state drives are excellent options at relatively reasonable prices. They both use the well-regarded Sandforce controllers. 120gb is currently the best size/price value, and that's plenty for the OS + apps.

I definitely would not buy any drive or RAM "upgrade" through Apple. The current machines really aren't hard to open up to replace/upgrade drive/RAM.

The OWC "Data Doubler" bracket I put in place of my optical is a better-quality product than other similar options I've seen. Only disadvantage is they don't offer any enclosure for your old optical to go in. To me, BFD: the slot-loading opticals are super-slow, and a good tray-loading 24X DVD is now $30 or less.

My current configuration in my main laptop is the OWC 120gb mounted to the "Data Doubler" bracket for boot/apps, and the WD 1TB in the regular HD bay for all music/video. 30gb on the 1TB is partitioned for a minimal "Emergency OS" with iTunes/SSL and the current library data, just in case the SSD were to take a dump at the wrong time. The speed hit from having the media on the slightly slower 1TB is completely un-noticeable when DJ-ing.
DJChrisG 1:48 PM - 31 January, 2011
Keep in mind that OS X does not have trim support so u need to get a ssd with a sandforce controller like OWC or Vertex. The crucial SSD 256GB is super fast but in theory would degrade in speed without Trim support.
anthracite98 8:31 PM - 31 January, 2011
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My current configuration in my main laptop is the OWC 120gb mounted to the "Data Doubler" bracket for boot/apps, and the WD 1TB in the regular HD bay for all music/video. 30gb on the 1TB is partitioned for a minimal "Emergency OS" with iTunes/SSL and the current library data, just in case the SSD were to take a dump at the wrong time. The speed hit from having the media on the slightly slower 1TB is completely un-noticeable when DJ-ing.


So you made a partition in the 1TB then what? How did you create the 30G Emergency OS? Is it stripped down with no other apps? Curious.
Dj Nyce 10:43 PM - 31 January, 2011
OCZ makes a 1TB 3.5" SSD for $3,500.00. A 2.5" version would probably be around the same amount.

I think i'll stick with my 500gb + 1TB laptop setup and leave the SSD for my desktop.
Proto J 2:12 AM - 1 February, 2011
yeah, i'm just not convinced the SSD is worth it right now...

altho i am still curious about having it and the standard 500gb my mbp came with both hooked up (one in the enclosure) at the same time (not talking about putting one in place of the cdrom)...
Barber 3:25 AM - 1 February, 2011
Guys, SSDs will be high priced for a while. So, if anyone is thinking hard drive upgrade, stick with the 2.5" drives. I've upgraded my 17" MBP Uni from 320Gb to 1Tb. I used a Western Digital Scorpio Blue WD10TPVT 1TB 5200 RPM 8MB Cache 2.5" SATA 3.0Gb/s (newegg $119.99). Be sure to keep your original drive as a backup. If anything goes wrong, you can always revert back to it. DON'T USE IT AS AN EXTERNAL. I used Super Duper(google it and get the free vers.) to clone my 320 to the new drive, swapped them and it was done. You can even use an external drive, like a Passport drive. Externals like that contain 2.5" hard drives. But be aware that opening the enclosure to remove the drive voids the warranty. My new drive show up exactly the same with all my iTunes playlists and all other program settings in tact but with one teenie weenie difference, more hard drive space. And as a test, I didn't turned off my Mac for approximately three weeks. I had to restart it due to a software update. I'm now thinking of eliminating my cd drive for another 1Tb drive.

I'll post a play by play if you like. It's easy to do. Str8 up D.I.Y.
Proto J 3:33 AM - 1 February, 2011
hold up, does replacing the cdrom with a HD void my applecare?

that would suuuucccckkkkk!
Proto J 3:34 AM - 1 February, 2011
and also, what does 2.5 mean?
kryptonitednb 4:04 AM - 1 February, 2011
So I could use a ssd for my primary and my regular drive for only music/videos?

If so, how would I migrate all my music and videos from my current drive and then migrate my OS and everything else to the new SSD?
kryptonitednb 4:06 AM - 1 February, 2011
btw I know how to change out the drives, just don't know how to migrate the info outside of a normal clone.
anthracite98 4:48 AM - 1 February, 2011
@krypto

Instructions for 4 drive system. By 4 drive i mean SSD main internal, 1TB (or whatever) drive in the internal DVD bay. 3rd drive is the Apple original as a backup for main OS. 4th drive is your master backup external drive that we all should have (i actually have 2 that i mirror).

1. 1TB drive for DVD bay. Get the drive, swap out the DVD with the drive. Move all the music, videos, files to the 1TB drive from your main HD. Backup all these files to the External drive #4. Delete those files from your current main internal drive.

2. Hook up SSD drive that should be in an external enclosure at first. Use Super Duper, or some other cloning software to clone current internal to SSD external. Shut down and swap the Apple internal with the SSD.

End result: SSD is internal master drive (OS and apps). 1TB in DVD bay. Apple drive in enclosure that you use ONLY to backup SSD drive (by cloning it regularly). Backup drive #4 that you backup the 1TB drive to.
anthracite98 4:52 AM - 1 February, 2011
And its not that expensive really. 4 drives. 1 apple came with laptop; 120G SSD kit from OWC is $299, 1TB internal is $100ish, and 1TB external backup is another $100. = $500 to get a super fast boot machine.

The only other thing is you should either buy an external enclosure for your DVD drive, or just buy a better one for $40. Even blue ray external drives are affordable now.
kryptonitednb 7:01 AM - 1 February, 2011
Thx man, that makes a lot of sense!! Would it be okay to put the SSD in the DVD bay since I already swapped my hd? I would assume so.
anthracite98 7:44 AM - 1 February, 2011
That I can't answer but hopefully someone else on here can. My guess would be that as long as you set the OS to boot from the SSD it wont matter; but then again, perhaps there is a power structure/performance hierarchy on the different buses that may be more advantageous to have the SSD in the main slot.

Mac experts chime in?
Proto J 7:47 AM - 1 February, 2011
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hold up, does replacing the cdrom with a HD void my applecare?

that would suuuucccckkkkk!
anthracite98 7:52 AM - 1 February, 2011
No, HD and Drive and RAm are all user replaceable. Which means that swapping something else in is ok too.
DJMark 8:22 AM - 1 February, 2011
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That I can't answer but hopefully someone else on here can. My guess would be that as long as you set the OS to boot from the SSD it wont matter; but then again, perhaps there is a power structure/performance hierarchy on the different buses that may be more advantageous to have the SSD in the main slot.


The main reason I put the SSD in place of the optical, and the regular drive in the normal spot, was concern that Apple's "Sudden Motion Sensor" might not have any effect on whatever drive is connected in place of the optical. Also since the optical is directly under the keyboard, the drive put there might be subject to a bit more jolting in normal use from typing.

At any rate, things have been working just fine for me.
DJMark 8:26 AM - 1 February, 2011
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hold up, does replacing the cdrom with a HD void my applecare?


If you need to use Applecare, the "conservative" thing to do would be to put the optical back in before sending it...but I really don't think replacing the optical with a drive caddy should void anything, provided you don't break something in the process of installation.

Also OWC is a very well=known, well-regarded vendor of products for Macs, and has been for many years. It's not like we're talking about some obscure modification sold by an unknown company.
DJ Remy USA 1:57 PM - 1 February, 2011
my mac boots fast with the 320 drive it came with. It boots in 15 seconds so i dont see me getting a SSD until regular HD become obsolete
DJChrisG 3:09 PM - 1 February, 2011
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@krypto

Instructions for 4 drive system. By 4 drive i mean SSD main internal, 1TB (or whatever) drive in the internal DVD bay. 3rd drive is the Apple original as a backup for main OS. 4th drive is your master backup external drive that we all should have (i actually have 2 that i mirror).

1. 1TB drive for DVD bay. Get the drive, swap out the DVD with the drive. Move all the music, videos, files to the 1TB drive from your main HD. Backup all these files to the External drive #4. Delete those files from your current main internal drive.

2. Hook up SSD drive that should be in an external enclosure at first. Use Super Duper, or some other cloning software to clone current internal to SSD external. Shut down and swap the Apple internal with the SSD.

End result: SSD is internal master drive (OS and apps). 1TB in DVD bay. Apple drive in enclosure that you use ONLY to backup SSD drive (by cloning it regularly). Backup drive #4 that you backup the 1TB drive to.


1. The 1tb drive does not fit in the DVD drive bay correctly on mbp 13" and i think the same prob on 15" both 2010 models. You have to put the 1TB in the hard drive bay and the SSD in DVD Drive bay on 2010 MBP both slots are SATA 2
DJMark 2:38 AM - 2 February, 2011
To answer a couple PM'ed/e-mailed questions:

1) SuperDuper is free. Paying $28 unlocks "Smart Update" functionality (meaning that any drive-cloning you do after the first time will only copy the stuff that's changed, saving a lot of time).

2) I strongly recommend a tool called "SMART Utility" for detailed drive hardware diagnostics. It will often be able to alert you to impending trouble before you get into a full drive-failure situation.

3) Some SSD's will display incorrect information to "SMART Utility" and other SMART diagnostic tools.

4) Booting and running apps from an SSD will noticeably affect overall speed, not just launching apps and booting. There's a fair amount of disk i/o going on in everyday computer use, something you can verify for yourself by launching "Activity Monitor" and clicking on the "Disk Activity" pane...leave it open as you use the computer. On Windows, Task Manager (accessed by control-alt-delete) gives similar functionality.

5) For reasons I mentioned earlier, if you're going to do the optical-bay drive caddy thing and put in an SSD for OS/apps, I would recommend putting the SSD in place of the optical and putting the conventional hard drive in the space where hard drives are normally installed.

6) Other valuable tools for Mac OS troubleshooting/trouble-prevention:

Applejack
Cocktail
Onyx
Diskwarrior
Proto J 5:25 AM - 2 February, 2011
and super duper is better than time machine because you won't have to reinstall the full OS with super duper?
Barber 6:23 AM - 2 February, 2011
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and also, what does 2.5 mean?

2.5" is the physical size(not the capacity) of hard drive used by most laptops. It's a measurement. Two and one a half inches.
Barber 6:27 AM - 2 February, 2011
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hold up, does replacing the cdrom with a HD void my applecare?

that would suuuucccckkkkk!

To avoid any issues with Apple, put all original parts back into your laptop before sending it to Apple.
Barber 6:51 AM - 2 February, 2011
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So I could use a ssd for my primary and my regular drive for only music/videos?

If so, how would I migrate all my music and videos from my current drive and then migrate my OS and everything else to the new SSD?


Your SSD would have to be equivalent or higher in capacity to your current drive. When cloning a drive, you can't send stuff to different places, such as different drives. It has to be from one drive to another. If files are in iTunes, backup and reload after new drive installs. DL iTunes and choose the hard drive during install.
kryptonitednb 12:17 PM - 2 February, 2011
I think I'm going to have to move my iTunes to an external and clone the rest. How do you change boot order on a Mac?
DJMark 12:36 PM - 2 February, 2011
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How do you change boot order on a Mac?


System Preferences/Startup Disk.

You can also hold down "option" immediately after powering on or restarting. Hold down option till the display of all found bootable devices shows up, and cursor-arrow between them. Hit return when the desired boot drive is highlighted.
kryptonitednb 1:47 PM - 2 February, 2011
Thanks man!
Proto J 7:52 AM - 3 February, 2011
what do you guys think of the MOMENTUS® XT SOLID STATE HYBRID DRIVE 500GB?

www.seagate.com

and here's a review:

www.legitreviews.com

i'd be using it in my cdrom slot (and obviously putting the os and apps on it, and probably audio, putting all the video on my 500gb 7200 the mbp came with)...

also, would this be an issue, like DJChrisG said: "u need to get a ssd with a sandforce controller like OWC or Vertex."?

thanx guys.
DJMark 7:55 AM - 3 February, 2011
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what do you guys think of the MOMENTUS® XT SOLID STATE HYBRID DRIVE 500GB?


I don't think much of it, or any other Seagate product. Way too many reliability issues with Seagate, and the support is terrible if you have to deal with getting a bad unit replaced under warranty.
Proto J 8:00 AM - 3 February, 2011
heh, well that's that then. haha! obviously i value your opinion!

guess i'll stick to the 750gb 7200rpm... WD right? is there only one they make or?
Dj Nyce 8:15 PM - 3 February, 2011
western digital ftw
blackavenger 12:18 AM - 4 February, 2011
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actually, upon further research, that review was b4 it became common knowledge that apple uses samsung SSD drives, which are apparently very poor.

"Don’t go with Apple’s factory-options for an SSD as they use slower Samsung drives and charge a premium for it which is unacceptable especially given how easy they are to replace."

damieng.com

www.anandtech.com


Samsung's OEM SSD's may be weaker than the rest, but not the one I am planning on buying. It is comparable to it's main competitor (at the moment) the Crucial C-300 for Read Speed, but simply blows ALL OTHER competition out of the water for Write Speeds. Also, given that Samsung are the industry standard for SSDs, I would put my faith on them producing a longer-lasting product than some of their competition.

www.techspot.com

Just so you know, I have a (2) Intel X-25M (160GB x 2) SSDs in a RAID configuration, as well as (3) Western Digital RE-3 1TB Drives, for my Desktop. I research SSDs & HDDs quite frequently....it's a hobby, and I'm a nerd!

As soon as I can find a Macbook Pro i7 that I feel is worth the money (prolly EBay), I plan to upgrade the RAM (myself) to 8GB, as well as add a 256GB Samsung 470 series SSD, and replace the Superdrive w' a 750GB Western Digital Scorpio Black using the MaxConnect Optical Bay....basically giving me just under a Terabyte of super-fast, "reliable" storage.

Kudos, DJMark....I too thought of using the Mac's stock HDD as a backup for the SSD.
Proto J 11:52 AM - 8 February, 2011
so DJMark, do you also recommend that WD Scorpio Black 750GB @ 7200RPM?

what's the name of the thing you need to replace the Superdrive with the HD?

and would you guys recommend the one that gives you the enclosure for your CDROM, or buy a whole new one? i remember someone saying you could even buy one that plays blue rays maybe, that's still really cheap?

and finally, which ram specifically do you recommend buying to upgrade to 8GB?

thanx guys, i'm about to go ahead and get all this stuff so...
DJMark 11:59 AM - 8 February, 2011
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so DJMark, do you also recommend that WD Scorpio Black 750GB @ 7200RPM?


I don't have personal experience with that exact drive, but as I've said here a bunch of times before I've been having excellent results with WD's other models.

There's at least two different "replace your superdrive with a hard drive" type brackets out there, the one I'm using is the OWC "Data Doubler". I consider it superior in quality to the other product, but it does NOT give you any means to make other use of the removed optical drive.

I'd just buy a good Pioneer or Plextor DVD-R tray-load drive, and put it in a Firewire enclosure. That would be WAY faster than the MacBook Pro slot-loading "superdrive".
DJMark 12:28 PM - 8 February, 2011
And someone else very recently posted about OWC selling the 8gb RAM upgrades for a little over $100. Other places have similar upgrades for even less, but what OWC sells is guaranteed to work correctly in a Mac (something that's not always the case for generic RAM modules).
blackavenger 2:21 PM - 8 February, 2011
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Samsung's OEM SSD's may be weaker than the rest, but not the one I am planning on buying. It is comparable to it's main competitor (at the moment) the Crucial C-300 for Read Speed, but simply blows ALL OTHER competition out of the water for Write Speeds. Also, given that Samsung are the industry standard for SSDs, I would put my faith on them producing a longer-lasting product than some of their competition.


So it turns out that Macs don't support TRIM......just recently learned that.......DAMN!! I initially got the Samsung 470 for the Mac I just bought, but had to return it. I went with the 240GB OWC Mercury Extreme Pro SSD instead....supposed to arrive today. Apparently it has 7% over-provisioning built in. Hence, no need for TRIM.

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so DJMark, do you also recommend that WD Scorpio Black 750GB @ 7200RPM?


I bought that drive for the Mac as well. I had it in another machine I own, and trust me, it's perfect (quiet, no vibration, fast, & reliable).

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what's the name of the thing you need to replace the Superdrive with the HD?


Here is the one I bought. Not sure of it's dominance in regards to it's competitors, but all the reviews I read spoke highly of it's functionality.

www.maxupgrades.com

**I found this post on Mac-Forums.com -
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FYI: The MaxUpgrades kit and the OWC data doubler kit are the same exact thing! Same exact chip-set, tools, screws, bracket, EVERYTHING. You might as well buy everything from Maxupgrades, which includes the external optical enclosure for $89, which makes the external only 16 dollars, as opposed to getting the OWC dataD alone for $75, and having to live with another external for probably more money.


RAM: I went with the Crucial. If I'm not mistaken, that's what Apple puts in their products by default. I've always used Crucial RAM for all my machines in the past....very dependable!! I have 12GB Crucial Ballistix RAM in my current i7 Quadcore Desktop.

www.newegg.com
blackavenger 2:30 PM - 8 February, 2011
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So it turns out that Macs don't support TRIM......just recently learned that.......DAMN!! I initially got the Samsung 470 for the Mac I just bought, but had to return it. I went with the 240GB OWC Mercury Extreme Pro SSD instead....supposed to arrive today. Apparently it has 7% over-provisioning built in. Hence, no need for TRIM.


Oh, I wanted to mention this to Y'all. If any of you are considering going with the OWC Mercury Extreme Pro SSD, be sure to place your over over the phone. Once you have the sales rep's attention, tell them that you wish to have the SSD flashed to the 310 Firmware. Apparently, the 343 FW is having issues, but the 310 FW is perfect.

When I ordered my OWC SSD yesterday, I requested the 310 FW without issue. They were more than helpful, and agreed to flash it, no questions asked.

**where I learned about this - forums.macrumors.com
Proto J 10:12 PM - 8 February, 2011
thanx for all the info!

as bad as i want SSD i can't justify the size reduction and price right now. maybe when they offer a 1TB @ 7200rpm, i'll throw a 128gb SSD in there.

for now i think i'm going with that WD scorpio black 750gb 7200rpm. unless DJMark can recommend something better...

i was thinking about that seagate hybrid, but again, i'm not sure the 4gb of SSD is worth the size reduction, going down to 500gb (blackavenger, what do you think of that seagate hybrid, btw?)...

so i guess the last question is, crucial or owc ram?
Dj Nyce 2:00 AM - 9 February, 2011
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thanx for all the info!

as bad as i want SSD i can't justify the size reduction and price right now. maybe when they offer a 1TB @ 7200rpm, i'll throw a 128gb SSD in there.

for now i think i'm going with that WD scorpio black 750gb 7200rpm. unless DJMark can recommend something better...

i was thinking about that seagate hybrid, but again, i'm not sure the 4gb of SSD is worth the size reduction, going down to 500gb (blackavenger, what do you think of that seagate hybrid, btw?)...

so i guess the last question is, crucial or owc ram?


get the 750gb or the 1tb wd for your storage needs.

Don't bother with the hybrid, it's either ssd or bust.

Right now, Crucial Ram (8gb) is cheaper than OWC ram ($12 difference) and i can confirm that the 8gb ram works with MacBook Pros (i have upgraded 3 of them to 8gb). Really didn't have to confirm that as Crucial is one of the top memory makers in the world. But this is the serato forums...
latindj 2:13 AM - 9 February, 2011
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thanx for all the info!

as bad as i want SSD i can't justify the size reduction and price right now. maybe when they offer a 1TB @ 7200rpm, i'll throw a 128gb SSD in there.

for now i think i'm going with that WD scorpio black 750gb 7200rpm. unless DJMark can recommend something better...

i was thinking about that seagate hybrid, but again, i'm not sure the 4gb of SSD is worth the size reduction, going down to 500gb (blackavenger, what do you think of that seagate hybrid, btw?)...

so i guess the last question is, crucial or owc ram?


I run that seagate hybrid in my superdrive slot and a 256gb ssd in the regular spot...mac runs super silly fast so far.
DJMark 2:28 AM - 9 February, 2011
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for now i think i'm going with that WD scorpio black 750gb 7200rpm. unless DJMark can recommend something better...


There's nothing available that's any larger if you insist on a 7200rpm drive. The only two manufacturers with 750gb/7200rpm drive as of now are WD and Seagate. I trust WD a hell of a lot more.

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so i guess the last question is, crucial or owc ram?


If Crucial RAM from Newegg or wherever is known to work well in a MacBook Pro, and it's significantly less $, go for it.

If the price difference is none or minimal, it's safest to buy from a place that's willing to guarantee that it'll perform optimally in a MacBook Pro. And it's definitely safest to buy ANY component from a place that offers good service in the event of a problem or part defect. Price savings is pretty useless if you have a hard time exchanging a faulty part...

There are *sometimes* issues with RAM timing and latency specs. These can cause anything from subtle performance degradation to the machine refusing to boot with the problem RAM installed. I think these issues are less common now (with Apple using Intel processors) than they were back in the Motorola/PowerPC CPU era.

I'm personally using RAM in my MacBook Pro that I bought at a local computer store and it's been fine. But I stand by my earlier advice, especially for people not experienced (or interested) in hardware testing/troubleshooting.
blackavenger 3:24 AM - 9 February, 2011
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Price savings is pretty useless if you have a hard time exchanging a faulty part...


QFT!

Newegg has always been good to me in the past. Then again, OWC are the manufacturers of their RAM, so once the Newegg warranty expires, and you are forced to deal directly w' the company, I would assume that it might be an easier process to deal with OWC over Crucial......OWC is just a smaller company. Then again, of every RAM stick I have ever purchased that was Crucial branded, none have ever failed me. Like I said before, I currently have 12GB of Crucial Ballistix Tracer RAM over-clocked to 1825MHz in an over-clocked (4.2GHz) Core i7 Quadcore desktop.....I really put this RAM through it's paces, and it has never even given so much as a hiccup in performance!

Whatever your decision, both of these two options are a hell of a lot cheaper than buying direct from Apple ;)

You asked my opinion of the Momentus XT (Seagate Hybrid), well here is a great benchmarking review of the 750GB 7200rpm Western Digital Scorpio Black, which incidentally mentions the Momentus XT & compares the WD Scorpio Black to it. Definitely worth the read.......

techreport.com


I went with the Scorpio Black! like I said I have the 500GB version in one of my other laptops, and the drive still blazes after several reformats!
Dj Nyce 1:35 PM - 9 February, 2011
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Whatever your decision, both of these two options are a hell of a lot cheaper than buying direct from Apple ;)


Apple/SJ are some fucking crooks. Do you see how much they are selling 8gb ram for? I bet some dumb dumbs actually buy it from them.
kryptonitednb 1:40 PM - 11 February, 2011
I took the plunge last night and orderd a 120gb SSD optical drive kit from macsales.com. I'm going to use that for my OS, programs, etc and use my 500gb internal for music and videos only.

I'm sure I'll be asking you guys questions as soon as I get the drive in!
blackavenger 3:33 PM - 11 February, 2011
^ Nice....I have the 240GB, though I'm starting to think I went a little overboard. Shoulda' went w' the 120GB as well ^
latindj 5:34 PM - 11 February, 2011
I went 256gb, but only because I got the drive for free! :)
kryptonitednb 5:37 PM - 11 February, 2011
Yeah I am going to use the SSD for the OS and programs ONLY. No music, etc.
blackavenger 5:54 PM - 11 February, 2011
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Yeah I am going to use the SSD for the OS and programs ONLY. No music, etc.


Yeah, I was thinking that I would put music on the SSD, but that's what the 750GB Scorpio Black is for......I got a little crazy with the numbers. Oh well. Maybe I'll use the SSD space to render video for my home movies. I coulda' saved myself $175.....LOL!
dj_rome 6:05 PM - 11 February, 2011
Hey y'all, question for ya (not trollin', promise!):

Why bother with the hassle of internal drive swaps (I know it's a fairly common procedure, but still, a hassle) when you can get a giant external/portable on the cheap? 1TB drives are pretty darn affordable (now even the portable/USB-powered ones as opposed to the cheaper but externally-powered ones) and even 2TB isn't out of reach for most of us. Not to mention sub-1TB (500GB, 640GB, 750GB, etc.) which are practically being given away these days. So yeah, why bother? What's the advantage of upgrading the internal if you have a MacBook/MBP from the last few years? Portable hard drives are light, easy to set up, carry, and use, IMO.

I have a few portables:
- 640GB, my main active drive for everything right now (all music + personal files)
- 1TB, just got this bad boy, gonna be my new main active drive soon (the 640GB one will prob. be transitioned to an active mirrored backup to take to gigs etc.)

And a few externals for backup:
- 500GB that someone dropped (whoops!) that I'm phasing out
- 750GB main backup drive

And I find that I never need internal drive space as it is way more than enough for the OS, installed programs, and random crap that I download before transferring over to one of those other drives.

So, yeah: what's your take?
blackavenger 6:27 PM - 11 February, 2011
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Why bother with the hassle of internal drive swaps (I know it's a fairly common procedure, but still, a hassle) when you can get a giant external/portable on the cheap?


Less strain on the USB Bus....at least that was my reasoning for swapping the Superdrive w' a HDD. I waqnted to conserve my USB power for peripherals like Dicers, CDJ-400, Launchpads, Flash Drives, etc.. Plus, I really wanted an SSD for my Boot Drive. Unfortunately, they do not make SSDs in the 640GB-750GB range.....at least none that I could afford!
dj_rome 8:46 PM - 11 February, 2011
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Why bother with the hassle of internal drive swaps (I know it's a fairly common procedure, but still, a hassle) when you can get a giant external/portable on the cheap?


Less strain on the USB Bus....at least that was my reasoning for swapping the Superdrive w' a HDD. I waqnted to conserve my USB power for peripherals like Dicers, CDJ-400, Launchpads, Flash Drives, etc.. Plus, I really wanted an SSD for my Boot Drive. Unfortunately, they do not make SSDs in the 640GB-750GB range.....at least none that I could afford!


Yeah I hear ya...SSDs are waaay expensive still!

When you talk about 'less strain' and 'conserving USB power' though, are you talking about USB power straight from the laptop? 'Cause I noticed that issue when using Dicers, USB external drive, and SL1 -- the SL1 would get power but apparently not enough to work properly :\ Once I got a power supply for my USB hub though, no more problems! (shoulda got a powered one to begin with, stupid me!)

The way I see it, the stock 2 USB hubs on a MBP aren't gonna be enough for most setups anyway, so I might as well get and use a powered hub. It's been working great for me since! Are you avoiding the externals because you only use 2 USB devices (I'm guessing SL* + Dicer)? Or are you already using a USB hub?
blackavenger 10:15 PM - 11 February, 2011
I have a Kensington Powered 7 port USB Hub.

Even with a "powered" Hub, it still draws some power from the USB Bus. At least it does w' my Dell Laptop. I being a new Mac user assumed it was the same, so this partially influenced my decision. Also, I just don't like being bothered w' External HDDs. I currently have 5 hooked up to my Desktop...and they annoy the piss out of me.

Whatever.... I have the setup I have, so I will find something useful for all the space on the SSD...LOL!
dj_rome 11:12 PM - 11 February, 2011
Yeah, that's cool. Whatever works, works! Everyone's setup is different :)

@blackavenger n00b question: Is there anything 'bad' about drawing power from the USB bus (even with a powered hub attached) ? We're all plugged into AC power when we're DJin', right? ;)
DJJorel 11:30 PM - 11 February, 2011
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Why bother with the hassle of internal drive swaps (I know it's a fairly common procedure, but still, a hassle) when you can get a giant external/portable on the cheap?


SATA II is still a lot faster than Firewire or USB (which are the ports my MBP have). Also, I have more faith in a hard drive securely mounted in my laptop than I do in a hard drive mounted in an enclosure. No matter how ruggedized an enclosure is, I tend to handle my MBP with more care than an external drive...
DJMark 3:16 AM - 12 February, 2011
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^ Nice....I have the 240GB, though I'm starting to think I went a little overboard. Shoulda' went w' the 120GB as well ^


120gb is definitely the best value right now (figuring on price-per-gigabyte), but having more space is never a bad thing...
blackavenger 2:52 PM - 12 February, 2011
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Why bother with the hassle of internal drive swaps (I know it's a fairly common procedure, but still, a hassle) when you can get a giant external/portable on the cheap?


SATA II is still a lot faster than Firewire or USB (which are the ports my MBP have). Also, I have more faith in a hard drive securely mounted in my laptop than I do in a hard drive mounted in an enclosure. No matter how ruggedized an enclosure is, I tend to handle my MBP with more care than an external drive...


Good Points.
soon-2-be-ex-FS2user_2.0 11:03 PM - 13 February, 2011
Mine's still guud four it 1.5Mb 2.5 ich fluppy
kryptonitednb 11:46 PM - 16 February, 2011
Installed the SSD in about 15 minutes.

Cloning now so I can have a 500gb hd empty for music only.

This is what we call ftw in the business.
blackavenger 12:45 AM - 17 February, 2011
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Installed the SSD in about 15 minutes.

Cloning now so I can have a 500gb hd empty for music only.

This is what we call ftw in the business.


From what I've read, cloning an SSD shortens it"s lifespan. If it's not too late, you might want to do a fresh install of all of your content.
DJMark 1:06 AM - 17 February, 2011
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From what I've read, cloning an SSD shortens it"s lifespan.


Where exactly did you read that?

SSD's apparently do have some "write cycle" limit, but in normal use it would be a number of years (possibly a very large number of years) before there'll be any problems.

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you might want to do a fresh install of all of your content


If the contents of the old drive are already cloned, doing a "fresh install" would only add more write cycles to the SSD. I don't see that it would accomplish any useful purpose at all, assuming there's no problems with the cloned OS/apps/data.
kryptonitednb 1:33 AM - 17 February, 2011
yeah I have no interest in a fresh install, but thanks for the heads up! Blazing fast so far.
blackavenger 2:35 AM - 17 February, 2011
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yeah I have no interest in a fresh install, but thanks for the heads up! Blazing fast so far.


As is mine....I'm lovin' it!

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Where exactly did you read that?

SSD's apparently do have some "write cycle" limit, but in normal use it would be a number of years (possibly a very large number of years) before there'll be any problems.

Ahh, just from a bunch of forum posts. Peeps' made the argument that cloning the SSD copies over w' it all the leftover files from installers, erased apps, logs, cookies, etc., and by installing OS X instead of cloning, you don't bring these files with you, and thus maximize it's performance and reliability. The argument made sense to me.

OWC Recommendation:
For maximum performance, physically format the SSD, install OS X, update OSX, and then migrate all of your software and files over to the new drive.

None of this is relevant to me....I switched over from a Dell. I had to do a fresh install anyway!
DJMark 5:34 AM - 17 February, 2011
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cloning the SSD copies over w' it all the leftover files from installers, erased apps, logs, cookies, etc., and by installing OS X instead of cloning, you don't bring these files with you, and thus maximize it's performance and reliability. The argument made sense to me.


That does make sense...but a good cloning app like SuperDuper actually leaves out a lot of un-needed stuff when cloning an OS partition. Stuff like cache files. That's why some people notice a discrepancy when comparing a freshly-cloned OS partition with the original. Also worth noting that the Mac OS generally doesn't behave like Windows when it comes to app installations: old erased apps may leave files behind (one can use a tool like "App Zapper" to delete unwanted apps if the leftover files really bother you), but they very rarely leave anything behind that would affect system performance.

All that said...it's never a bad thing to do a fresh OS install, and OWC is giving good "general" advice that probably saves them some time dealing with support issues. It just makes migrating everything much less convenient, especially if you have a bunch of third-party apps with serial numbers and/or time consuming installation processes.

When migrating between different Mac models, or even different generations of the same Mac model, OWC's advice should be followed strictly: it's **always** best to do a fresh install in that case. Especially when migrating to a new model that uses an OS build that wasn't in existence before. Mere "version numbers" aren't everything. I know this well because I have done it wrong before, only to have to go back and fresh install afterward.

If you're staying with the same exact Mac model-- just replacing drives, and you have a known good installation of Mac OS and your apps-- cloning can save quite a lot of time.
Proto J 11:33 AM - 17 February, 2011
i still haven't migrated. been waiting to get this extra drive and ram installed (which will be over the next couple days).

but what should i do? hook it up via firewire and bring over everything i want to keep? or clone my old macbook's drive and bring it over to the new macbook pro?

my macbook is running osx 10.5.8, not sure what the mbp will be running, but is that also something to factor in?

thanx.
anthracite98 2:08 AM - 18 February, 2011
Mark should be able to confirm this but form the thread and our knowledge so far:

do a fresh OS install on new mbp, then hook up old macbook via FireWire and do app installs/migration that way. Once the new mbp is all happy, then you can start the dual drive situation whatever that may be (SSD/1TB xx brand/ etc).
Proto J 10:11 PM - 18 February, 2011
^ really? cuz what i'm about to do is this:

b4 even opening my MBP i'm gonna install 2 WD scorpio black 750gb 7200rpm, one in place of the internal drive, and one in place of the superdrive (i'm also installing 8gb's of ram).

then i'm gonna take a super duper clone of my current macbook's HD (which has just been updated with the newest version of snow leopard) and put it straight over onto the new MBP. so it'll be as if i never changed computers, everything will be right there as it was on my old computer, never having to go thru all the starting steps of turning on a new MBP for the first time (my computer's name and password and everything will be the same as my old one)...

at least this is how my boy wants to do it, who's helping me with everything.

is this way flawed somehow?
blackavenger 10:31 PM - 18 February, 2011
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^ really? cuz what i'm about to do is this:

b4 even opening my MBP i'm gonna install 2 WD scorpio black 750gb 7200rpm, one in place of the internal drive, and one in place of the superdrive (i'm also installing 8gb's of ram).

then i'm gonna take a super duper clone of my current macbook's HD (which has just been updated with the newest version of snow leopard) and put it straight over onto the new MBP. so it'll be as if i never changed computers, everything will be right there as it was on my old computer, never having to go thru all the starting steps of turning on a new MBP for the first time (my computer's name and password and everything will be the same as my old one)...

at least this is how my boy wants to do it, who's helping me with everything.

is this way flawed somehow?


Nope, we were having the discussion in regards to doing a fresh install ONLY if one were placing an SSD in the new computer. Regardless, after more reading/researching, I think that the negatives of cloning a drive w' the previous installs junk within it, are negligible! So go ahead and do your install exactly like you described, Proto J.

1.4TB is gonna be nice ;)
DJMark 1:08 AM - 19 February, 2011
Proto J, please read my last post carefully.
Proto J 9:45 AM - 19 February, 2011
well, today the manager at the apple store told me that doing with a super duper clone is fine, but with just one problem; the old macbook with the new OS isn't gonna have the drivers and stuff needed on a unibody for things like the new trackpad, and stuff like that. and i would want to insert the OS disc the computer comes with and basically add to my workflow by having it install everythiing the right way.

he simply suggested using the migration option right when i turn on the new MBP.

i guess i'll just do that, as he said it won't require making a new shortname and password and everything.

one problem tho, and perhaps he went over this with me, but i don't remember. how do i do that when i plan to install a WD scorpio black in place of the stock internal?

another question, they told me replacing the optical drive with a HD will void my warranty, including the apple care i've purchased. i asked how would they know if i put the optical drive back in prior to ever bringing/sending it in for repair, and they simply said "we aren't dumb... we make those phone calls everyday, letting people know they voided their warranty by doing something like that"...

so what i'm wondering is, have any of you guys ever put your optical drive back in prior to sending your machine in for repair and had them make an issue of it? what can i do to ensure they don't know i ever tampered with it (obviously make sure all screws go back where they belong, don't strip any of them, etc.)?

thanx.
anthracite98 9:53 AM - 19 February, 2011
#1 re HD. maybe turn on new mbp, do the migration, then clone that drive onto the new WD Scorpio.

#2. can anyone advise as I was relatively sure that swapping out the optical drive was not warranty voiding as its a user replaceable part....

digging now....
Proto J 10:25 AM - 19 February, 2011
#1. yeah, that might be my best option. unless someone can elaborate on a better, time saving one? perhaps it is faster to clone my drive, bring it over to the WD scorpio, then slide the disc in and update the OS so it's installed to work with the unibody... that OS update would likely be quicker than a migration and a cloning...

#2. that's what an employee (not sure of her level) told me, right in front of 2 managers... she specifically said the reason is it's not supposed to be a user replaceable part.

i wonder mostly how likely it is they'd notice that tho, especially if what you're needing repaired has nothing to do with the optical drive... i mean, do they go into your computer looking for reasons to not honor your warranty? looking for screws in the wrong place or stripped, etc.?
anthracite98 10:50 AM - 19 February, 2011
well you can take the bottom off and replace RAM and HD under warranty, so they'd have to look closely and specifically at just the screws around the optical bay in order to void your warranty.
blackavenger 2:03 PM - 19 February, 2011
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well you can take the bottom off and replace RAM and HD under warranty, so they'd have to look closely and specifically at just the screws around the optical bay in order to void your warranty.


That's what I was thinking. I took pictures prior to, and post, of installing the Drive Bay Caddy in anticipation of something like this. I kept all the original screws, and keep them w' the tools that came w' the Caddy. If everything is restored to how it was prior to doing the install, how could they know?

My guess is that most people that do modifications like this are clueless, and don't pay attention to the details. I think as long as you adhere to these guidelines, you should be fine.
Proto J 2:52 AM - 21 February, 2011
long story, but i got uprgaded to the 2.8gHz i7 instead of 2.66 and matte high res instead of glossy high res, all for free... i was skeptical about the matte because my old powerbook had a matte screen and it was impossible to see in the sunlight, and my macbook's glossy screen was actually easier to see outside, however they assured me this MBP's screen is much brighter and sure enough i took it outside today and it's easy to see in direct sunlight, perhaps easier than the glossy...

downgraded the 500gb @ 7200rpm to 5400rpm, cuz i'm putting that extra money towards putting 2 WD scorpio blacks in, giving me a total of 1.5TB @ 7200rpm.

and with 8gb's of ram, this machine is gonna be a beast. completed the super duper cloning, now about to install the drives...

gonna just be extra careful not to strip any screws while replacing the optical drive so not to void my warranty.

thanx to everyone in this thread and related ones who's helped me out with all the info i needed! i really appreciate it!
anthracite98 6:13 AM - 21 February, 2011
^ what's the long story and can i duplicate to get upgraded?

Glad you got it and are on track to working out the 1.5TB. Update us when you're done.
Proto J 1:01 PM - 21 February, 2011
basically, while my friend and i were taking apart the mbp to install the drive in the optical bay slot and add 8gb of ram, we scratched the top of the computer in a few places... don't quite understand how, as we had it on top of the piece of plastic it was wrapped in. but we did.

anyways, i decided to take everything back out and put it back as it was and take it to the apple store and claim it came scratched like that. i told them i needed the computer by monday for work and couldn't wait for them to ship me out a new one. they agreed to replace it, but there was one problem, in the store they don't stock the customized options like the 500gb HD running at 7200rpm (which i anticipated and was glad, as i decided the $45.00 i spent to make it 7200rpm would be better spent with about $70.00 more to put a WD scorpio black 750gb 7200rpm in there), and they didn't have the glossy hi-res option, only the matte high res option.

so i ran with the 5400rpm drive and decided matte would be fine, they said there would be no extra cost to me, as the downgrade to the 5400rpm drive would offset the cost of the matte hi-res (which is more expensive than glossy), but i asked them to throw in a speck case for free and they agreed.

so as they're rapping everything up, i asked about the speck case and he said they couldn't do it because they ended up having to give me the 2.8 processor because in the store the matte hi-res only comes with that one, not the 2.66. that was a $180.00 upgrade (with the education discount)... i asked him just how much faster that little bit really is and he said if you were editing video all night it could potentially cut down rendering time by 45 minutes or something...

i certainly can't complain... do i feel a lil' bad about it? sure... but i have spent a small fortune with apple and i just hated the idea of having a brand spanking new MBP with scratches... especially since they're gonna replace that one piece and sell it as refurbished...
DJChrisG 2:06 PM - 21 February, 2011
Take this with a grain of salt but a brand new MBP could drop this week. I think you have 14 days to return if you want

www.macrumors.com
blackavenger 7:09 PM - 21 February, 2011
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but i have spent a small fortune with apple and i just hated the idea of having a brand spanking new MBP with scratches...


Good for you, Bro!

I hear you on the scratches....an easy solution will prevent you from ever getting scratches on your new MBP -

www.amazon.com

I already put it on mine....looks beautiful. I've used this product on 2 of my iPods....it's waaaaaay better then Invisible Shield!!!
blackavenger 7:43 PM - 21 February, 2011
Sorry, I gave you the wrong link......

www.amazon.com

Fixed.
Proto J 11:50 PM - 21 February, 2011
DJChrisG: wow... quicker than i thought. well i just called the apple store to verify, they looked up my info by my receipt number, just to be sure, and i have until march 4th to return or exchange. so hopefully these new MBP's will drop ASAP. i'm sure, even with the freebies i got, i'll get a better deal and better computer if i exchange it for the newer model. especially nice if it has the rumored SSD to host only the OS and apps.

blackavenger: nice man, if you have a sec, snap a couple pix. just curious if it's shiny and stuff... i was just gonna use a speck case, but would you recommend this over it?
Proto J 1:32 AM - 22 February, 2011
yeah, been reading up on it and it's very likely these new MBP's are gonna drop this week.

crazy. i feel really lucky.

i'm just wondering if the 8gb ram upgrade i bought will still work in the new machines, as well as the optical bay HD replacement and all that?
blackavenger 6:12 AM - 22 February, 2011
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Take this with a grain of salt but a brand new MBP could drop this week. I think you have 14 days to return if you want

www.macrumors.com


Damn!

I 'was' holding out for the new Macbook Pros....but I read earlier last month that the rumor mill didn't expect them until late May, early June. Oh fuckin' well! Sandy Bridge really would have been nice......I'm stuck with what I have now. I've done too many mods to return it. I mean, I'm not entirely disappointed.....I have a pretty bad-ass machine, but it could have been even more so with that new Sandy Bridge processor/upgraded graphics card.

I could sell it on EBay, but I think I'll just hold on to it.
Henry GQ 6:40 AM - 22 February, 2011
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Sorry, I gave you the wrong link......

www.amazon.com

Fixed.


i really need to get this.
Henry GQ 6:42 AM - 22 February, 2011
yeah man. i will probably sell mine on ebay by the end of summer and get a newer macbook. its good to continually upgrade!
blackavenger 7:16 AM - 22 February, 2011
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blackavenger: nice man, if you have a sec, snap a couple pix. just curious if it's shiny and stuff... i was just gonna use a speck case, but would you recommend this over it?


Would I recommend it over a Speck Case? For me personally? Yeah.
I mean, isn't part of the reason why we buy Macbook Pros because of it's durable aluminum exterior? Is an additional external case really necessary? And at least some part of us must recognize it's an attractive case as well. If I wanted to sport a shiny, colored, plastic PC, I would have gone w' a Vaio, or a Dell. Plus I can't help but wonder if any heat is trapped in by using the Speck Case. Whatever, I wanted to preserve the MBP's attractive styling, but at the same time protect it from the scratches that would result from always taking it on the go w' me. And like I said, I've used the Wrapsol Film on 2 of my iPods, and the one I still have looks as though I just purchased it yesterday......no discoloring, or what they call the "orange peel effect" like you get w' using Invisible Shield.

I applied the Wrapsol Film the very day that I took the MBP out of the box....it took about 15-20 minutes to apply......completely cured in about 12 hours......it looks fantastic!

www.facebook.com
anthracite98 7:58 AM - 22 February, 2011
Don't worry blackavenger, I'm sure those of us who are waiting will be pulling hair out for 6 months with bugs. Remember when the i series first came out and SSL basically didn't even work for a few month, and then took several apple updates to correct the issues...

With that said, You'll be able to sell it on ebay for a minimal loss if done in the next 6 months...
Proto J 12:35 PM - 22 February, 2011
god i hope there's no serious issue with serato...

blackavenger, thanx. i might go your route and apply it. is it not possible that it's also trapping in heat tho?
Proto J 12:36 PM - 22 February, 2011
i use a laptop cooling pad when i DJ and have been wondering how that's gonna work with the speck case, and now the wrapsol.
Proto J 12:39 PM - 22 February, 2011
i'm also wondering if i can apply decals and stickers to that wrapsol.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 1:04 PM - 22 February, 2011
One thing for you to consider. I'm not sure if MAC does this, but WINDOWS PC's have an EVENT VIEWER which basically tracks all processes and changes to the OS, INCLUDING HARDWARE INSTALLS....

So, they MAY not need to be looking for chipped screws or anything, but something much more simpler in a log file to show that WD Scorpio #2 was installed, and right before bringing it in for service, the Optical was put back...

Word to the wise....
blackavenger 1:06 PM - 22 February, 2011
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i use a laptop cooling pad when i DJ and have been wondering how that's gonna work with the speck case, and now the wrapsol.


Dude, the Wrapsol is REALLY, REALLY thin....you can barely even tell it's on!!! (As a side note, I should mention that it gives the whole MBP a more grippy feel to it as well....I prefer it actually.) I know for a fact that it's not going to trap any heat. However, at least w' my Friend's MBP Speck Case, it seems as though it obstructs the air vents a little bit....this is the issue I had w' it trapping heat....not trapping heat into the aluminum itself ;)


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i'm also wondering if i can apply decals and stickers to that wrapsol.


That, I don't know....never tried it....don't want to. If it was your plan to change your Apple Logo's color. Remember, installing the Wrapsol (or any other film) in no way inhibits you from taking the case apart. There are tiny cutouts for each screw....you'll still be able to get the top panels apart.

the way I look at it, there is still a chance of getting surface scratches w' the Speck Case. There is however NO possible chance of getting any scratches once the Wrapsol is applied.....at least none to the treated areas. If you can afford it, get both. Apply the Wrapsol as soon as you get it...protecting it for the duration of it's life. Then for when you're gigging (for that extra bit of added security) place the MBP in the Speck Case. Win/Win all the way around. If you hurry (before they sell out) on the Amazon deal, you'll save yourself just about $30 on buying the Wrapsol retail. The savings completely justifies purchasing the Speck Case.
blackavenger 1:08 PM - 22 February, 2011
Quote:
One thing for you to consider. I'm not sure if MAC does this, but WINDOWS PC's have an EVENT VIEWER which basically tracks all processes and changes to the OS, INCLUDING HARDWARE INSTALLS....

So, they MAY not need to be looking for chipped screws or anything, but something much more simpler in a log file to show that WD Scorpio #2 was installed, and right before bringing it in for service, the Optical was put back...

Word to the wise....


That's interesting.....I'm going to look into it further.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 1:08 PM - 22 February, 2011
And YES, a company that does warranty work DOES look for tale tale things like that..

For example, your cellphone stops working, you bring it to Cingular, Verizon, etc..

The 1st thing they're gonna do is crack that baby open and see if the "Wetness" sensors show a stripe, (kinda like the pregnancy tests), and if they do, you're, well..

Screwed....

Just like if she was pregno...
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 1:12 PM - 22 February, 2011
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That's interesting.....I'm going to look into it further.


One way I've gotten around manufacturers warranty issues is that I would make a clone of their INITIAL harddrive before even booting it up.

That way, I can make all the changes I want, and if I ever needed to bring it in for service, (even though I'm a tech), I could restore it back to factory condition with no worries, just by swapping the original harddrive back in with the original parts.
blackavenger 1:17 PM - 22 February, 2011
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One way I've gotten around manufacturers warranty issues is that I would make a clone of their INITIAL harddrive before even booting it up.


Well, that's good then, as I still have the OG hard drive......I installed the SSD before installing the Optical Bay Drive. I could just restore the MBP to the way I originally received it. Thanks for the suggestion.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 1:37 PM - 22 February, 2011
One more thing...

Aside from the actual OS (Event Viewer), hardware trips (Wetness Indicators), at least in PC's there is this thing called a BIOS, and they have been known to track HARDWARE changes to a PC, with a log.

Sometimes you can erase the log...sometimes you can't.

But even if you did have the option to erase, and if that was one of their checking points, what could you say would be your reason for wiping out the log file?

We've used BIOS logs to pinpoint when people STEAL MEMORY from PC's and such...

So it really depends on how bad they want to catch you out there....just compare that to how bad you'd want to "get over"...

Just a thought...
Proto J 1:45 PM - 22 February, 2011
^ yeah, i'm gonna migrate everything over to the MBP, clone it to the scorpio black, then take it out, and just put it back in if i ever need to send it in for service.

problem solved, right?

this is if the optical drive is even present in the new MBP...
Proto J 12:17 AM - 23 February, 2011
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If you hurry (before they sell out) on the Amazon deal, you'll save yourself just about $30 on buying the Wrapsol retail. The savings completely justifies purchasing the Speck Case.


not sure what you mean here. that amazon deal is good, but similar deals can found on the wrapsol just by froogling it on google.

or do you mean how much wrapsol is compared to the speck case? but even the speck case can be found for around $25 shipped.

i'm with you tho, i'd like to not have a big case around my MBP, nor do i want my cooling pad not really breaching the speck case and not cooling my lappy down, so i'm prolly gonna go with the wrapsol.

i wasn't talking about changing the color of my apple, there's a stick i want to put over it actually, and i'm just trying to make sure you can still apply a stick/decal to the wrapsol's surface (i don't see why you couldn't tho)...
blackavenger 4:52 AM - 23 February, 2011
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that amazon deal is good, but similar deals can found on the wrapsol just by froogling it on google.



I wasn't aware. I thought that was the cheapest on the net.....I shoulda' searched a little harder, I suppose.
Proto J 5:48 AM - 23 February, 2011
it is about the cheapest, but a dollar or two.

thanx, cuz i bought one today. just hope this new MBP launching is built the same way and it fits the same, cuz i'm exchanging the one i just bought as soon as it drops...
Proto J 3:51 AM - 27 February, 2011
so is that thing johnny was sayin' up there true about macs? does it log things like hardware changes?

i took out the internal 750gb my new MBP (2.3 quad core) came with and replaced it with the WD scorpio black. i also replaced the optical drive with another scorpio black.

i'll leave the 750gb it came with alone so i can put it back in (along with the optical drive) if i were to ever need to send it in for service... IF that is true, cuz that drive was taken out b4 i replaced the optical drive, so there couldn't be a log of it (right?)...

but if that's not even true for macs then i'd like to use it to back up one of my scorpio blacks...

i'm also curious if they really look at stuff like the screws on the optical drive b4 they'd do work on something else on the computer totally unrelated. the screws are painted black so pretty much any screwdriving done to them leaves that silver underneath the paint showing, indicating they've been touched.

if i really, definitely just voided my warranty then i might as well get a refund for the apple care i bought, that's why i need to know this stuff really...
djperry 10:55 PM - 27 February, 2011
@ Proto J. I was told by apple employees that swapping out hard drives does not void the warranty and that they were designed to make those swaps easy, user friendly and permissible under the warranty . I am currently inquiring about the CD/optical drive. I am looking to do the same.
WarpNote 10:00 AM - 28 February, 2011
Proto,
I swapped my 320GB for 500GB on my pre-unibody (penryn) macbook pro, had a graphics card failure (known NVIDIA issue) reinserted original 320 drive (it was now formatted with no files on the HD at all), had the machine serviced covered by warranty, no questions asked.
Proto J 10:46 AM - 28 February, 2011
thanx guys, but i already know you can swap out the HD your computer comes with, but apple has told me (and others) that taking out your optical drive voids the warranty.
latindj 5:00 PM - 28 February, 2011
^so just put it back in if you need service...no biggie.
blackavenger 5:13 PM - 28 February, 2011
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^so just put it back in if you need service...no biggie.


He's right, it's not a particularly "hard" thing to do, but definitely annoying!! Especially in your case with having all these issues, it might do you well to return it to factory condition, and keep it that way until the problems get ironed out.
Dj K.Smith 5:20 PM - 28 February, 2011
kryptonitednb 3:25 AM - 8 March, 2011
So has anyone had any issues with their laptop going into sleep mode with a SSD? I am noticing some problems with this with me. A little disconcerting if you're about to switch over from another dj.

Any fixes?
DJMark 1:13 PM - 8 March, 2011
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So has anyone had any issues with their laptop going into sleep mode with a SSD? I am noticing some problems with this with me.


What exactly do you mean?

The computer goes to sleep when it shouldn't?

Or you can't get the computer to sleep?

Or you can't get the computer to wake up?
blackavenger 3:51 PM - 8 March, 2011
Quote:
So has anyone had any issues with their laptop going into sleep mode with a SSD? I am noticing some problems with this with me. A little disconcerting if you're about to switch over from another dj.

Any fixes?


You didn't read what I wrote above about the OWC SSD's "343" Firmware having issues? Or perhaps you purchased your SSD before I posted it, I can't remember, but here is the post I made regarding the issue you're having, Krypto......

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Oh, I wanted to mention this to Y'all. If any of you are considering going with the OWC Mercury Extreme Pro SSD, be sure to place your over over the phone. Once you have the sales rep's attention, tell them that you wish to have the SSD flashed to the 310 Firmware. Apparently, the 343 FW is having issues, but the 310 FW is perfect.

When I ordered my OWC SSD yesterday, I requested the 310 FW without issue. They were more than helpful, and agreed to flash it, no questions asked.

**where I learned about this - forums.macrumors.com


Follow that link to the MacRumors thread....it will explain everything in a bit more detail.
dj_rome 3:53 PM - 11 March, 2011
Lots of good info & discussion here!

Thanks guys, especially for the tip about the WrapSol. Looks like good stuff!
Dj K.Smith 4:03 PM - 11 March, 2011
Just got my (2) 750gb drives yesterday... Swapping out the 640 and the 500 in my MBP after this weekends gig...
SMOKE DOGG BITCH 5:45 PM - 2 May, 2011
so theres alot to read. can someone clearly state if 12.5mm hard drives fit in the unibodys... pre 2011
dj-freestyle 7:13 PM - 2 May, 2011
lot to read but if you go on youtube pretty much shows and explains it all.
Dj K.Smith 7:17 PM - 2 May, 2011
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so theres alot to read. can someone clearly state if 12.5mm hard drives fit in the unibodys... pre 2011


No... Too big bro... I have (2) 750g western digital in my 2010's MBP (I have 2 MBP like this)... Waiting for the 1TB drives...
dj-freestyle 7:44 PM - 2 May, 2011
I have a 1tb in my macbook pro pre 2011.
SMOKE DOGG BITCH 9:55 PM - 2 May, 2011
see this is what im getting everywhere. one person says yes one says no. freestyle whats your final verdict
Dj K.Smith 10:27 PM - 2 May, 2011
I'd wait for a 9.5mm 1TB hard drive that I know will fit without any issues bro...

My $.02
Joee 11:40 PM - 2 May, 2011
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see this is what im getting everywhere. one person says yes one says no. freestyle whats your final verdict


this is from macsales.com

copy & pasted
1.0TB WD Scorpio Blue 5200RPM SATA *12.5mm* HD with Advanced Format Technology - Fits all Apple MacBook/MacBook Pro 'Unibody' Models (13/15/17"), MacBook Pro 'pre-unibody' 17", and PC Laptops which support 12.5mm SATA Drives. New with 3yr WD Warranty. (WDGWD10TPVT)
Joee 11:41 PM - 2 May, 2011
dj-freestyle 12:25 AM - 3 May, 2011
I love my 1tb drive, no issues and was easy to do. I have one of first unibodys and works awesome. had it for a year. You also might want to try a hybrid drive. Thats seems to be a good way to.
SMOKE DOGG BITCH 1:10 AM - 3 May, 2011
i was going to do the optibay with hopefully 1tb drive and mount it as its own source. 500gb drive thats already there for music and 1tb in optibay for videos. was looking at samsung 5400 rpm 1tb, heard not so good things about 5200
dj-freestyle 2:46 PM - 3 May, 2011
Im gonna try a hybrid drive in my cd slot and see how it goes. I love my 1tb from western digital i put in so we will see.
j_dim 9:28 PM - 3 May, 2011
whats the speed on the 1tb drives im assuming 5200 rpm?
dj-freestyle 11:07 PM - 3 May, 2011
5400 is what u put in 1tb.
dj-freestyle 11:08 PM - 3 May, 2011
Its worked perfect for almost a year
DJ'Que 11:46 PM - 3 May, 2011
So once u install it you format the drive and load the music or video's
dj-freestyle 3:37 PM - 4 May, 2011
Yep clone it and go to work. was really easy.
serkan 7:17 PM - 25 May, 2011
Hi everyone.
The discussion seems outdated by now but I'm looking for a new hard drive for my MBP too.
Currently I have the stock 250gb 5400rpm Hitachi on my 13" MBP, mid-2010

Now I'm looking for a 750gb and have some real trouble finding the right one. I love how quiet the Hitachi is. If there was not the Sudden Motion Sensor I wouldn't even notice it's there. But on the other hand the performance might be one of the worst I ever experienced.
I want the best compromise: As quiet and as fast as possible. I use my MBP for almost everything and any time so I can't deal with noise and/or low performance.

After doing lots of research I narrowed down to the following drives:
- Hitachi Travelstar 5K750 (5400rpm, 8mb)
- Seagate Momentus 5400.7 (5400rpm, 8mb)
- Seagate Momentus 7200.5 (7200rpm, 16mb)
- Toshiba MK7559GSXP (7200rpm, 8mb)
- Western Digital Scorpio Blue (5400rpm, 8mb)
- Western Digital Scorpio Black (7200rpm, 16mb)

Well, as you can see I can't even decide between 5400 and 7200rpm.
Numbers on sheets are always easy. But I bet there are 7200 models that are even more quite and with less power consumption than some cheap 5400 models.

But: The biggest issue is the Sudden Motion Sensor.
I heard that some people experience major stability issues if the hard drive has a built-in sensor. On Wikipedia it does even say that most people are having trouble with WD drives.

I'm really going out of my mind here :)
With desktop PCs I've always had Western Digital Caviar Blue and everything was fine. But with the laptop (and specially Mac) it seems to be much more complicated :(
dj-freestyle 8:15 PM - 25 May, 2011
I would use the western digital. thats whats in mine at its 1tb and runs great. no issues.
Dj K.Smith 8:50 PM - 25 May, 2011
Western Digital Scorpio Black (7200rpm, 16mb)


I have 2 of these in each of my MBP's...
serkan 9:00 PM - 25 May, 2011
Thanks for the replies.

@dj-freestyle
Which WD would you recommend? Blue or Black?

@Dj K.Smith
How are those compared to the standard drives? I really dig the silence of the Hitachi drive.
blackavenger 10:19 PM - 25 May, 2011
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Western Digital Scorpio Black (7200rpm, 16mb)


I have 2 of these in each of my MBP's...


I concur.......I have one in my MBP, and had another in a PC I used to have. They are super quiet, fast, and reliable.......great price too!!!
serkan 10:32 PM - 25 May, 2011
Damn!
I'm just back from the Apple support website filled with people having major "beach ball" issues with WD and Samsung drives. And there were two people who went for other drives (Seagte and Hitachi) and all their problems were gone.
This really starts to annoy me :(

I'm considering the WD but will check the store's return policy before :)

Keep your suggestions coming. I'm planing to get the new hard drive by next week and appreciate every single comment!
Joee 10:37 PM - 25 May, 2011
buy one of these
eshop.macsales.com
& two off these, you will have 1.5TB total in your macbook
eshop.macsales.com
Joee 10:40 PM - 25 May, 2011
if all you want is 1tb your options are plenty buy 2 500gig hard drives, seagate or hitachi, 5400 or 7200rpm
Dj K.Smith 10:41 PM - 25 May, 2011
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Thanks for the replies.

@dj-freestyle
Which WD would you recommend? Blue or Black?

@Dj K.Smith
How are those compared to the standard drives? I really dig the silence of the Hitachi drive.

Well the 16mb cache will cut down your seek and load times considerably... Much faster and efficient drive than the 8mb 5400 IMO...
DJMark 1:55 AM - 26 May, 2011
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Damn!
I'm just back from the Apple support website filled with people having major "beach ball" issues with WD and Samsung drives. And there were two people who went for other drives (Seagte and Hitachi) and all their problems were gone.


There are several issues responsible, which I've discussed in great detail in the past. Search "hdapm" and you should be able to find the relevant posts easy enough.
Shawny D 4:09 AM - 26 May, 2011
I have a Hitachi 500 GB 7200 RPM with 16MB Cache HDD in my MBP. It's pretty silent.

I personally wouldn't get anything slower than 7200 RPM. Short of an SSD, it's the fastest drive out there for the money.
nik39 10:01 PM - 26 May, 2011
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But I bet there are 7200 models that are even more quite and with less power consumption than some cheap 5400 models.

Why do you think that?
serkan 10:25 AM - 27 May, 2011
Evolving technology. I've replace a hard drive in the Desktop PC of my brother. The former was a 3 year old Samsung (5400) and the new one is a WD Carviar Blue (7200). I can't say something about it's efficiency but it's a lot quiter.

Anyway.
I wanted to give the Hitachi 7K750 a try but it's delayed due to the Japanese earthquake.
So I decided to go with the Toshiba MK7559GSXP (which acutally is only 5400rpm). But it was the winner of a MAC related test just a few days ago and it's the drive used by Apple if you order a 750GB HDD.

Thanks for all the replies!
I will let you know more as soon as I have it.
serkan 10:30 AM - 27 May, 2011
Oh crap... it should've been "BECAUSE it was the winner..." bla bla.
Sorry I just woke up after a loooong night :)
Dj-M.Bezzle 3:38 PM - 6 June, 2011
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I have a Hitachi 500 GB 7200 RPM with 16MB Cache HDD in my MBP. It's pretty silent.

I personally wouldn't get anything slower than 7200 RPM. Short of an SSD, it's the fastest drive out there for the money.



do you really need the extra speed though??
Henry GQ 6:17 AM - 8 June, 2011
u think they will ever get a 2tb or more hard drive ? tired of carrying my external around...
Shawny D 10:29 AM - 8 June, 2011
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do you really need the extra speed though??


Well sure, it makes the computer quicker on boot-up and apps load up noticeably faster, too. Plus upgrading to a 7200 RPM drive from a comparably-sized 5400 RPM version is only a $15-20 premium. Compared to the ridiculous premiums that SSD manufacturers charge, that's a bargain.
Shawny D 10:35 AM - 8 June, 2011
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u think they will ever get a 2tb or more hard drive ? tired of carrying my external around...


I'm sure eventually they'll make one, hard-drives are always getting smaller in physical size and able to carry more than their predecessors. i mean, could you have imagined that they would've had a 1 TB hard-drive for laptops just a couple years ago?

If you're concerned about carrying an external right now, maybe consider an OptiBay-style solution to replace your SuperDrive (because who uses CD's anymore, lol), and double the carrying-capacity of your MBP.

eshop.macsales.com
nik39 11:09 AM - 8 June, 2011
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Plus upgrading to a 7200 RPM drive from a comparably-sized 5400 RPM version is only a $15-20 premium.

You mean...

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Plus upgrading to a 7200 RPM drive from a comparably-sized 5400 RPM version is only a 15°degrees premium.

Just make it hot ;)
dj-dave-d 12:35 PM - 8 June, 2011
reading this thread makes me think that ive done the right thing. just had a brand new 2011 mbp 17" wich came with a 750gb @ 5400rpm as standard so i switched it for a 500gb @ 7200rpm as it would be 33% faster. just worried im gonna fill it real quick now
Shawny D 12:38 PM - 8 June, 2011
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Plus upgrading to a 7200 RPM drive from a comparably-sized 5400 RPM version is only a $15-20 premium.

You mean...

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Plus upgrading to a 7200 RPM drive from a comparably-sized 5400 RPM version is only a 15°degrees premium.

Just make it hot ;)


lol, I guess. I don't have any iStat data on temp. differences b/c I would have to swap a 5400 RPM HDD back in to compare, a problem since I sold my old one a while back. It's certainly plausible, though, if the platters are spinning faster, then more heat will inevitably be produced, though overheating has never been a noticeable problem for me. What i have noticed is that app icons bounce noticeably less before starting up and the aforementioned boot-up time is lessened.

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reading this thread makes me think that ive done the right thing. just had a brand new 2011 mbp 17" wich came with a 750gb @ 5400rpm as standard so i switched it for a 500gb @ 7200rpm as it would be 33% faster. just worried im gonna fill it real quick now


Keep using your 750 GB HDD as an external, or put it in an OptiBay and swap out your SuperDrive for it.
dj-freestyle 3:07 PM - 8 June, 2011
I have a 1tb at 5400 in my macbook pro for a year now and couldnt be happier. No need to carry my external around except when i need huge video catalog.
Joee 4:33 PM - 8 June, 2011
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u think they will ever get a 2tb or more hard drive ? tired of carrying my external around...

you can put 2tb in you computer right now, as long as you own a unibody mac

two of these------>eshop.macsales.com

& one of these--------->eshop.macsales.com

they even have 1.5 tb drives now you could have a total of 3tb in you mac
Shawny D 5:23 PM - 8 June, 2011
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u think they will ever get a 2tb or more hard drive ? tired of carrying my external around...

you can put 2tb in you computer right now, as long as you own a unibody mac

two of these------>eshop.macsales.com

& one of these--------->eshop.macsales.com

they even have 1.5 tb drives now you could have a total of 3tb in you mac


Hate to burst your bubble, but if you check the specs, you'll see that the Data Doubler will only accommodate HDD's that're no taller than 9.5mm. The Samsung is, unfortunately, 12.5mm tall.

You could make the Samsung your primary drive, put a shorter HDD in the Data Doubler, and potentially have a setup with 1.75 TB, seeing as to how the biggest 9.5mm HDD is 750 GB.
Joee 5:42 PM - 8 June, 2011
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u think they will ever get a 2tb or more hard drive ? tired of carrying my external around...

you can put 2tb in you computer right now, as long as you own a unibody mac

two of these------>eshop.macsales.com

& one of these--------->eshop.macsales.com

they even have 1.5 tb drives now you could have a total of 3tb in you mac


Hate to burst your bubble, but if you check the specs, you'll see that the Data Doubler will only accommodate HDD's that're no taller than 9.5mm. The Samsung is, unfortunately, 12.5mm tall.

You could make the Samsung your primary drive, put a shorter HDD in the Data Doubler, and potentially have a setup with 1.75 TB, seeing as to how the biggest 9.5mm HDD is 750 GB.


i didn't see that, you can still put a 1.5tb 12.5mm & a 750 gig 9.5mm, it still gives you more than 2tb
Joee 5:46 PM - 8 June, 2011
Shawny D 6:04 PM - 8 June, 2011
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heres the 1.5 drive------>eshop.macsales.com


www.provantage.com
compare.ebay.com


Apparently, at 14.5mm, it's only for commercial applications. I think the tallest HDD that the MBP can accommodate is 12.5mm.
Joee 6:07 PM - 8 June, 2011
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heres the 1.5 drive------>eshop.macsales.com


www.provantage.com
compare.ebay.com


Apparently, at 14.5mm, it's only for commercial applications. I think the tallest HDD that the MBP can accommodate is 12.5mm.

o it's not 12.5, i thought it was

so 1.75tb than, thats still a good amount of space to have internal
Shawny D 7:10 PM - 8 June, 2011
For sure! Though I do wonder how much longer such emphasis will be placed on internal hard-drive space versus overall speed, what with the growing hype of moving data and multimedia into
"the Cloud".

Call me crazy, but I can see the day coming soon when the vast majority of our music, movies, and pics will be in the Cloud and we'll only need a small, speedy hard-drive or SSD to boot-up the OS and/or apps.
Dj-M.Bezzle 7:13 PM - 8 June, 2011
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Call me crazy, but I can see the day coming soon when the vast majority of our music, movies, and pics will be in the Cloud and we'll only need a small, speedy hard-drive or SSD to boot-up the OS and/or apps.



SUCH a bad idea!!!!!!
Joee 7:17 PM - 8 June, 2011
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For sure! Though I do wonder how much longer such emphasis will be placed on internal hard-drive space versus overall speed, what with the growing hype of moving data and multimedia into
"the Cloud".

Call me crazy, but I can see the day coming soon when the vast majority of our music, movies, and pics will be in the Cloud and we'll only need a small, speedy hard-drive or SSD to boot-up the OS and/or apps.

not to far fetched, if you would have told me ten years ago that i would be djing with turntables again & using a computer for music, i would have said no way your crazy!

here i am sold my cdj's & bought 4 turntables & have two macs for music
Shawny D 7:19 PM - 8 June, 2011
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Call me crazy, but I can see the day coming soon when the vast majority of our music, movies, and pics will be in the Cloud and we'll only need a small, speedy hard-drive or SSD to boot-up the OS and/or apps.



SUCH a bad idea!!!!!!


LOL, this is totally getting revisited in 5 years.
Dj-M.Bezzle 7:24 PM - 8 June, 2011
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Call me crazy, but I can see the day coming soon when the vast majority of our music, movies, and pics will be in the Cloud and we'll only need a small, speedy hard-drive or SSD to boot-up the OS and/or apps.



SUCH a bad idea!!!!!!


LOL, this is totally getting revisited in 5 years.



by all means, seriously while the idea works on papaer and works well for convienence i dont see how people can be happy\look forward to a system where you dont own any of your own personal information or a system that can be catastrophically shut down discconnecting you from all your ish. Imagine your all your info is stored in the cloud and hackers crash it like they did the PS3 ...hope you dont have any gigs while they fix that, or imagine the people running your cloud system decide to get into the music busniess and decide that all your intro outro tracks or your remixed mp3s violate copywrite law....say by to half your music collection just like that
Shawny D 7:34 PM - 8 June, 2011
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Call me crazy, but I can see the day coming soon when the vast majority of our music, movies, and pics will be in the Cloud and we'll only need a small, speedy hard-drive or SSD to boot-up the OS and/or apps.



SUCH a bad idea!!!!!!


LOL, this is totally getting revisited in 5 years.



by all means, seriously while the idea works on papaer and works well for convienence i dont see how people can be happy\look forward to a system where you dont own any of your own personal information or a system that can be catastrophically shut down discconnecting you from all your ish. Imagine your all your info is stored in the cloud and hackers crash it like they did the PS3 ...hope you dont have any gigs while they fix that, or imagine the people running your cloud system decide to get into the music busniess and decide that all your intro outro tracks or your remixed mp3s violate copywrite law....say by to half your music collection just like that


Very valid concerns, I'm just saying that this seems to be the way that the tech industry is heading. It'll be interesting to see how it all gets addressed.

Oh, and I currently have my entire system backed up on 3 different external hard-drives.
No Cloud is ever going to alleviate my paranoia. ;-)
Dj-M.Bezzle 7:36 PM - 8 June, 2011
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just saying that this seems to be the way that the tech industry is heading.


your very correct here and its a scary thing, if you step back and look at the big pic there are some truly scary trends occuring on the most basic levels that noone seems to care about
CMOS 8:08 PM - 8 June, 2011
I dont think the could idea will fly fully for music collections. I think the best solution is more of a dropbox kind of thing. Where you actually have the files somewhere local, you can just access them wherever you want. If the connection goes down, you have to physically go to where your files are.
dj-freestyle 8:42 PM - 8 June, 2011
Cloud would be nice for backup but for true gigs no way. To much to go wrong.
Dj-M.Bezzle 8:57 PM - 8 June, 2011
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I dont think the could idea will fly fully for music collections.

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Cloud would be nice for backup but for true gigs no way. To much to go wrong.



see but the thing is, long term THIS

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I can see the day coming soon when the vast majority of our music, movies, and pics will be in the Cloud and we'll only need a small, speedy hard-drive or SSD to boot-up the OS and/or apps.


is where we are heading
Dj Nyce 1:21 PM - 9 June, 2011
i think people are taking the 'cloud' buzz word and running with it. the 'cloud' makes sense for some things and not for others. people are trying to make practical applications for everything to be in the 'cloud' when they should not.

i believe that application data should be accessed locally and data such as movies, pictures and music is fine to be on the cloud for sharing purposes (i.e. between devices or people). but it is just not practical for libraries.
Dj-M.Bezzle 1:36 PM - 9 June, 2011
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i think people are taking the 'cloud' buzz word and running with it. the 'cloud' makes sense for some things and not for others. people are trying to make practical applications for everything to be in the 'cloud' when they should not.

i believe that application data should be accessed locally and data such as movies, pictures and music is fine to be on the cloud for sharing purposes (i.e. between devices or people). but it is just not practical for libraries.


Very true but there is serious talk and evidence that the long term goal of this tech is to make everything cloud based, so basically what would be avaliable is a series of powerful tablet based computers that have minimul SSD stograge, like 50 gigs or something, alot of ram and highspeed access to the almost infinit storage space of the cloud.
Billy18bm 3:59 PM - 9 June, 2011
i dont understand the idea of passing data back and forth. whats the point
Dj-M.Bezzle 4:04 PM - 9 June, 2011
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i dont understand the idea of passing data back and forth. whats the point



what do you mean??
Billy18bm 4:17 PM - 9 June, 2011
all this cloud bullshit.. why do you want to first off all upload the data secondly pull it down everytime you need it
Dj-M.Bezzle 4:24 PM - 9 June, 2011
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all this cloud bullshit.. why do you want to first off all upload the data secondly pull it down everytime you need it



so you can have insint access to all of your info from anywhere, for example your on SL listening to new tracks and adding cue points, your boy swings by and asks you to ride to the store with you to get some swishas, you just click save on your work, pick up your ipad, click open and your right where u left off, no having to save files and transfer them manually.

Or you are listening to music on your PC and you want to listen to it in the living room on the surround BAM done.

Or lets say yuor a writer and your working on a book, you save it on your home pc. The the next day your in starbucks and you get a great idea for the next chappter, BAM, you have access to the work that you saved at home on your phone or on your laptop.

Its not really a matter of "pulling it down" whenever you need it because your never really pulling it down, your just accessing it from a central point
Dj-M.Bezzle 4:26 PM - 9 June, 2011
And like i said earlier the further down the road idea is that you would never have to have a bulky machine again, you would use more tablet, smartphone, laptop tech for everything, you would have small storage SSD drives to hold basic info then the storage space for everything else would all be infinite in the cloud.
Proto J 5:55 PM - 9 June, 2011
do you have to be connected to the intraweb to access the cloud?
Dj-M.Bezzle 6:24 PM - 9 June, 2011
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do you have to be connected to the intraweb to access the cloud?



not sure how each different system will be but i would assume you would need to be connected to some kind of network...most likley the internet
Dj-M.Bezzle 6:27 PM - 9 June, 2011
Thats another thing that is happening that people are overlooking by not looking long term, these internet companies are putting lower and lower caps on the internet usage you can have before piling on additional cost. The justify this by saying that only 5% or so of the population uses that much and its not fair to the rest of the users, since this dosent affect john and suzy dailylife they just accept it. What these people arent realising is we are moving to a point where EVERYTHING will be consumed through the internet, youll get your TV shows from a stream, youll get your movies from a stream, youll get local news and weather, ACCESS TO YOUR OWN FILES will be through a stream, when all this is implimented these companys will have these caps set at the old lower rate and youll have no choice but to be anally raped by them just to get your daily needs.
Dj Bugz 6:31 PM - 9 June, 2011
Back to the topic.. I just installed a second internal 750gb 7200 with an Optidrive.. all my videos go on this drive.. tested last night.. and i love it.. Use my external to back up.. now i don't have to carry around my external around ...
Dj Bugz 6:34 PM - 9 June, 2011
"to carry around my external around" - sentence fail !
=)
Dj-M.Bezzle 7:57 PM - 9 June, 2011
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all this cloud bullshit.. why do you want to first off all upload the data secondly pull it down everytime you need it



news.yahoo.com

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The PC (As We Know It) Is Dead
ShareretweetEmailPrintChad Brooks, BusinessNewsDaily Contributor
LiveScience.com Chad Brooks, Businessnewsdaily Contributor
livescience.com – Wed Jun 8, 9:59 am ET
The rapid rise of cloud computing, coupled with a slew of increasingly powerful mobile computing devices, is killing the PC faster than analysts had predicted.

In fact, some now say, the desktop PC is essentially dead – an immobile zombie that's already irrelevant to many consumers and soon will be to businesses, too.

Yesterday's announcement of Apple's iCloud, which will store content online and synch all of a user's Apple devices wirelessly, is the latest in a series of nails being hammered into the PC coffin. Smart phones and tablets have given rise to a new consumer demand for immediate information at our fingertips, which John Quain, industry expert and longtime technology writer, said has made the desktop computer defunct.

"We don’t need PCs anymore," Quain told BusinessNewsDaily. "They are dead."

PC sales slide

The two-stage death march is evident in surprisingly dim statistics released recently.

Two of the world's largest manufactures of personal computers, HP and Dell, recently reported significant losses in sales to consumers. PC sales to individuals for quarter ending April 30 plunged 23 percent at HP and 7 percent at Dell.

PC sales to businesses have fared better. But overall, a turning point has clearly passed.

This spring, Gartner, Inc. released statistics showing PC sales overall dropped 1.1 percent compared to last year. Meanwhile, IMS Research has forecasted a whopping 213 percent growth for tablets.

While the PC has long been considered a necessity in the workplace, Quain said mobile devices are now giving businesses the chance to break from that mold.

"I see a lot of large enterprises and small businesses reconsidering the need for a desktop computer," Quain said. "The tablet computers are much cheaper, and give small and medium-size business another option so they don’t have to invest in a desktop computer."

Meanwhile laptops, considered to be PC's, are changing rapidly. Apple's Mac Air has the instant-on capability of a tablet computer, and isn't much bigger than one. Intel recently announced Ultrabook, a thin, light tablet-like laptop with a touch screen. The company thinks it'll make up half the laptop market by the end of next year.

And earlier this year, Motorola released the Atrix 4G, a smartphone that docks to a laptop-like device that's really just a screen, keyboard and giant battery. The smartphone is the brains of the operation.

Gone from campuses

Nowhere is the PC demise more stark than among the consumers of tomorrow.

At Penn State University, Director of Education Technology Services Allan Gyorke said the former student staple is now rarely spotted in dorm rooms.

"The desktop PC is dead," Gyorke said, estimating that 95 percent of students now bring a laptop or tablet media device to campus instead of using a traditional PC in their dorm room.

Those newer devices, he said, are easier to store and easier to set up.

While not ready to put the final nail in the PC's coffin, Roger Kay, an industry expert and president of Endpoint Technologies Associates, said the growing use of media tablets and smartphones is indeed pushing it out the door.

"Death might be an over-exaggeration, but the wind has been taken out of the PC’s sails," Kay said. "There is a lot of momentum going the other way."

With tablets and smartphones having as many computer capabilities as a desktop PC, Kay said it's only naturally for people to choose the handier option.

"It is hugely more convenient," Kay said. "It immediately changed my lifestyle, in that it offered a type of mobile computing that wasn’t available before."

The wireless connection

The explosion of wireless networks is also linked to the PC's demise. You no longer need to be seated at a desktop computer that is plugged into the phone line next to it to access the Internet, Gyorke noted.

"If there is a wireless connection somewhere, people want to access it," Gyorke said. "That is a real drawing force."

Apple's new iCloud will help seal the desktop's fate by spurring the use of all cloud-based services, Quain said. "It is going to make everyone feel more confident in using those cloud services."

Other analysts point out that the iCloud is mostly an Apple affair, but that Google, Microsoft and others who want a foothold in the cloud are already racing in that direction, and iCloud will only heat that race up.

Evolve or die

Still, even as he acknowledged that PC alternatives like the iPad and other media tablets are slowing personal computer sales, George Shiffler, research director at Gartner, Inc., said he expects the PC to survive by evolving into something else.

"PCs are a very flexible platform," Shiffler said. “There will be something like a PC (in the future), but it won't be exactly what it is like today.”

One scenario, he suggested, is to have a further merge of the television and computer.

"I think we may see the desktop move to an all-in-one screen," Shiffler said. "Then it becomes a media center."

Gyorke said he actually sees the future of personal computers headed in the same direction as tablets, with touch screens and app centers.

"The interface will be very similar to the iPad," Gyorke said.

Billy18bm 12:11 PM - 10 June, 2011
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all this cloud bullshit.. why do you want to first off all upload the data secondly pull it down everytime you need it



so you can have insint access to all of your info from anywhere, for example your on SL listening to new tracks and adding cue points, your boy swings by and asks you to ride to the store with you to get some swishas, you just click save on your work, pick up your ipad, click open and your right where u left off, no having to save files and transfer them manually.

Or you are listening to music on your PC and you want to listen to it in the living room on the surround BAM done.

Or lets say yuor a writer and your working on a book, you save it on your home pc. The the next day your in starbucks and you get a great idea for the next chappter, BAM, you have access to the work that you saved at home on your phone or on your laptop.

Its not really a matter of "pulling it down" whenever you need it because your never really pulling it down, your just accessing it from a central point


I think its a great idea for certain types of things (documents, small images, etc). but instant access? im sure 110meg video files would pipe right over for "instant access". Your using a computer to access the cloud data so why not have the data stored internally?
DJ Stoyvo 1:09 PM - 10 June, 2011
I'd suggest you go with this:

canadacomputers.com

480GB SATA3 6GB/s
Read: 550MB/s
Write: 525MB/s
Dj-M.Bezzle 1:19 PM - 10 June, 2011
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im sure 110meg video files would pipe right over for "instant access".


Netflix instant streaming works fine, so does VUDU, what would make your vids any different

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Your using a computer to access the cloud data so why not have the data stored internally?


2 reasons, 1 storage space is limited with a traditional HD, 2nd the idea is your not stuck to just that computer, like i said before the main idea is access from multiple devices instantly, for example your working on a scratchtrack, you save it on your computer (the cloud in this case) then you go to a gig and run into one of your dj buddys or a promoter or something and you whip out your iphone and say check this out and push play and you have yuor scratch track right there, then they like that so you access your mix right there and bam its avaliable.

yes i know you could save the track to your phone but if your phone has lets say 8 gig space obviously your going to have to be picky with what yuo put on it. The idea with cloud is instant access to all of your data anywhere in the world at any time
WarpNote 5:41 PM - 10 June, 2011
I would not trust a wireless network for delivering the content when DJ'ing,
so many possible things could go wrong, and I don't see to many ethernet cables at the booths I work...

This reminds me about the computer geeks some 15 years ago: "In the future you will only se terminals hooked up to a mainframe computer". I reality computers became faster and cheaper with larger storage.
The main reason being convenience. And thats my main argument against cloud computing, IMO its "not ready for prime time yet". The main issues being bandwith and realiable wireless connections, add to that the whole issue of privacy, ie being monitored by the service provider.

Don't get me wrong, I think the concept of cloud computing is GREAT!
I just think I will take a long while before its really worth it for DJing.
blackavenger 5:58 PM - 10 June, 2011
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I'd suggest you go with this:

canadacomputers.com

480GB SATA3 6GB/s
Read: 550MB/s
Write: 525MB/s


Yeah, right...LoL!

...and I thought I spent a lot on my SSD. $1,900....I don't think so!
Shawny D 4:39 AM - 14 June, 2011
Back on topic.

www.engadget.com

9.5mm height, should fit pretty nicely (that's what she said).

If I were going for speed and storage I'd get one of these in an OptiBay/Data Doubler and put a small SSD in the boot-disk location.

Win-Win.
serkan 9:45 PM - 14 June, 2011
I stated on this thread that I'll go with the Toshiba...
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I wanted to give the Hitachi 7K750 a try but it's delayed due to the Japanese earthquake.
So I decided to go with the Toshiba MK7559GSXP (which acutally is only 5400rpm). But it was the winner of a MAC related test just a few days ago and it's the drive used by Apple if you order a 750GB HDD.

But I asked the guys on the Hitachi-GST Facebook site and they said that the TravelStar 7K750 will hit stores by the end of June... (see here: www.facebook.com)
So I'm still waiting and be happy as a pig in shit when that drive arrives at European online retailers!
SMOKE DOGG BITCH 5:48 PM - 17 June, 2011
i just did 12.5mm 1tb drive in 2010 13' mbp NO PROBLEM. so to answer all questions yes they fit
Dj Nyce 10:25 PM - 17 June, 2011
Quote:
i just did 12.5mm 1tb drive in 2010 13' mbp NO PROBLEM. so to answer all questions yes they fit


can verify this as well. wifey just purchased mid 2009 13" mbp and it was upgraded with a 12.5mm 1TB HD.
DJLRock 8:58 PM - 18 July, 2011
thinkin about grabbing this one... anyone have any thoughts on this site?
www.superbiiz.com
djnova13 12:41 AM - 21 July, 2011
Has anyone considered or heard much about this drive?

blog.laptopmag.com

Being 9.5 it clears all size issues, it is only a 5400 quoting their review that "you could see 7200 transfer speeds".
and the price is right at 129$
DJ Dub Cowboy 12:43 AM - 21 July, 2011
new WD Scorpio Blue 1TB 9.5MM height 5400RPM
www.engadget.com
djnova13 1:00 AM - 21 July, 2011
140$ compared to the Samsungs 129$ its nothing really, but which would you chose?
DJ Dub Cowboy 1:07 AM - 21 July, 2011
I have been using the scorpios for a while and I have not had any issues. My externals are 750GB scorpios but one of them used to be in my macbook. Sweetness all around
djnova13 1:23 AM - 21 July, 2011
hmmmm. I can't comment have yet to molest my mbp. But am in serious thought of doing it...
Don't see the downside to throwing one of these drives in regardless if they are 5400, knowing the stock 500 is a 5400 as well...
Also thinking while its open throwing in 8mb RAM in but thats a different story.
These drives and change overs look simple enough, but the taboo Mac has thrown on touching or changing their products is quite intimidating.
the_black_one 1:31 AM - 21 July, 2011
Quote:
hmmmm. I can't comment have yet to molest my mbp. But am in serious thought of doing it...
Don't see the downside to throwing one of these drives in regardless if they are 5400, knowing the stock 500 is a 5400 as well...
Also thinking while its open throwing in 8mb RAM in but thats a different story.
These drives and change overs look simple enough, but the taboo Mac has thrown on touching or changing their products is quite intimidating.



you own the son of a bitch!!!! it does not own you!!! put on your big boy pants and finger it !!! lol
DJ Dub Cowboy 1:45 AM - 21 July, 2011
changing hard drives in the unibody macs does not void warranty unless you damage it

the instruction for doing this are in the manual for the computer.
DJLRock 2:58 AM - 21 July, 2011
WD - $119
www.newegg.com

Samsung - $89
www.newegg.com
djnova13 4:30 AM - 21 July, 2011
Thanks "black one" love the way you think, i agree....
Its more of a sigma Mac put on their products, i did it to my last macbook, upgraded the hd and ram, but not to this mbp, as like many i waited for a 1tb drive under 12.5 to appear on the market...

I'll settle for the WD, known their reliability from PC and externals used on the Mac.
Didn't know changing didn't void warranty but that dont bother me this thing is hot anyways.

So for those who changed their drives i'm assuming it was all as simple as this,
Watchwww.youtube.com
DJ Guayo 12:56 PM - 21 July, 2011
Quote:
Thanks "black one" love the way you think, i agree....
Its more of a sigma Mac put on their products, i did it to my last macbook, upgraded the hd and ram, but not to this mbp, as like many i waited for a 1tb drive under 12.5 to appear on the market...

I'll settle for the WD, known their reliability from PC and externals used on the Mac.
Didn't know changing didn't void warranty but that dont bother me this thing is hot anyways.

So for those who changed their drives i'm assuming it was all as simple as this,
Watchwww.youtube.com


Just make sure you have the correct screwdrivers. Last thing you want is to strip the screw.
Proto J 7:28 PM - 21 July, 2011
i got 1.5TB in mine (2 750GB scorpio blacks that run at 7200rpm).

i won't mess with 2TB's until they make 'em run at 7200rpm.
DJ Dub Cowboy 7:57 PM - 31 July, 2011
hoping DJMark can chime in on this but anyone else with info please let me know

evaluating these two drives

eshop.macsales.com

is the extreme pro 6G worth the extra $$
lumas13 11:20 PM - 31 July, 2011
Those videos seem interesting
Dj Nyce 12:51 AM - 1 August, 2011
doesn't say which sandforce processor it uses (or if it uses a SandForce at all), but i know that the fastest SSD on the market is the OCZ Vertex 3. The vertex 3 comes in different varieties and sizes and uses the SandForce SF-2200 processor. The Max IOPS edition has increased random write performance.

here's a review of the OCZ Vertex 3 240GB www.anandtech.com *be sure to check out the OWC Mercury Extreme Pro 6G close to the bottom in the Random Write test

also all SSD drives use less number of die's per NAND chips on the lower capacities so they perform slower than the higher capacities. The speed difference doesn't justify the price difference tho (120 gb vs 240 GB).

i just purchased a 120GB OCZ Vertex 3 for my desktop.
Manny C dot com 4:29 AM - 3 August, 2011
latindj 6:22 AM - 3 August, 2011
^5400 rpm = fail
the_black_one 6:29 AM - 3 August, 2011
Quote:
^5400 rpm = fail



yep
serkan 5:04 PM - 11 August, 2011
Finally!
The Hitachi Travelstar 7K750 750GB hit market in Europe after it was announced for 2011Q1 :)
Just ordered mine for €98 (+ €8 shipping).
It's the most expensive HDD I ever bought but I trust Hitachi for building high quality drives at low noise levels. Will report back asap :)
serkan 5:24 PM - 11 August, 2011
I think I'm going to kill someone :)
Right after I ordered the HDD the shop changed the availability from "in stock" to "not available" :(
DJ Guayo 6:38 PM - 11 August, 2011
Quote:
I think I'm going to kill someone :)
Right after I ordered the HDD the shop changed the availability from "in stock" to "not available" :(

that's cold blooded...
Watchwww.youtube.com
serkan 5:54 PM - 12 August, 2011
Quote:

that's cold blooded...
Watchwww.youtube.com


Haha :)
Just got the confirmation that it was shipped today and I got one of two available 7K750's.
Gonna pop it into my MBP and let you know how it performs. So excited :)

Right in time... the professional slapping-assasin was on his way already ;)
djnova13 6:21 AM - 25 August, 2011
Quote:
Quote:
Thanks "black one" love the way you think, i agree....

Its more of a sigma Mac put on their products, i did it to my last macbook, upgraded the hd and ram, but not to this mbp, as like many i waited for a 1tb drive under 12.5 to appear on the market...



I'll settle for the WD, known their reliability from PC and externals used on the Mac.

Didn't know changing didn't void warranty but that dont bother me this thing is hot anyways.



So for those who changed their drives i'm assuming it was all as simple as this,

Watchwww.youtube.com
Just make sure you have the correct screwdrivers. Last thing you want is to strip the screw.


Where do we get these tool kits from??
DJMark 8:46 AM - 25 August, 2011
Quote:
hoping DJMark can chime in on this but anyone else with info please let me know

evaluating these two drives

eshop.macsales.com

is the extreme pro 6G worth the extra $$


Hmm, this should give you an idea of how infrequently I look at this forum these days...

Anyway I'm pretty sure that only the newest 2011 MacBook Pros have the 6gb/sec internal SATA controllers, so if you have one of them it would make sense to take advantage of the faster drive. For any of the earlier models with 3gb/sec controllers or slower, it would be a waste of $ to buy more speed that the computer will never be able to use.

The 2009 and 2010 models only go to 3gb/sec, and some of them (certain generations of the 15 inch in particular) had trouble even with that speed (firmware downgrades/hacks to take the SATA controller down to 1.5gb/sec fixed some third-party drive issues, for example).

Figuring out your Macs SATA speed is simple: launch System Profiler (in Utilities), and over on the left under "Hardware" highlight "Serial-ATA". Among a lot of other things, that will display information similar to what I've copied below:

----------
Intel 5 Series Chipset:

Vendor: Intel
Product: 5 Series Chipset
Link Speed: 3 Gigabit
Negotiated Link Speed: 3 Gigabit
Description: AHCI Version 1.30 Supported
----------

Still running with a 120gb OWC Mercury Extreme Pro SSD in place of the optical drive (boot/apps), and the 1tb WD 12.5mm drive (music/videos) in the standard drive bay. Been nearly a year (4783 hours use) for the SSD, and about 9 months (3034 hours use) on the 1tb drive...things continue to work just fine, though I'm now down to about 35gb free on the 1tb. Hoping a bigger model comes out soon...

The one potentially show-stopping thing I've definitely established with the WD drive: it's absolutely necessary to shut off the Mac's built-in Sudden Motion Sensor, to prevent a Kernel Panic if the computer is jolted. Discovered that by inserting/ejecting an eSATA Expresscard: originally thought the KP's were a problem with the card, but it turned out to be the jolts from putting in/ejecting the card, and the "dueling motion sensors" issue that's been discussed in the past.
AKIEM 10:55 AM - 25 August, 2011
Travelstar 750GB arriving today
nik39 12:14 PM - 25 August, 2011
serkan and AKIEM, why are you going with 750GB drives if you can get 1TB 2.5" drives which fit into Macs?
nik39 12:15 PM - 25 August, 2011
(@9mm)
nik39 12:16 PM - 25 August, 2011
Quote:
The one potentially show-stopping thing I've definitely established with the WD drive: it's absolutely necessary to shut off the Mac's built-in Sudden Motion Sensor, to prevent a Kernel Panic if the computer is jolted. Discovered that by inserting/ejecting an eSATA Expresscard: originally thought the KP's were a problem with the card, but it turned out to be the jolts from putting in/ejecting the card, and the "dueling motion sensors" issue that's been discussed in the past.

MArk, do you have any references?
AKIEM 12:34 PM - 25 August, 2011
Quote:
serkan and AKIEM, why are you going with 750GB drives if you can get 1TB 2.5" drives which fit into Macs?


Well I wanted to go with Travelstar (just personally had the best results). I havnt seen a 1TB yet.
And I really dont need a larger one at the moment. My boot drive is a SSD in the opti bay. I have that duped on a partition and still have plenty of room left. Ive been organizing different - still carry hell of records(videos) I will never end up playing - just see no reason for carrying a giant archive. I can still fill most requests - if not - TFB.
DJ Dub Cowboy 3:55 PM - 25 August, 2011
this is what I got:

Intel 6 Series Chipset:

Vendor: Intel
Product: 6 Series Chipset
Link Speed: 6 Gigabit
Negotiated Link Speed: 3 Gigabit
Description: AHCI Version 1.30 Supported
the_black_one 6:27 PM - 25 August, 2011
Learn something new everyday, After 6 years on the forums i talk a lot of shit because im very experienced with SL but turning of the SMS with the terminal command was a new one for me! thanx guys (NM)
the_black_one 6:45 PM - 25 August, 2011
this is what i have:


Vendor: NVidia
Product: MCP79 AHCI
Link Speed: 3 Gigabit
Negotiated Link Speed: 3 Gigabit
Description: AHCI Version 1.20 Supported
Recently A Fish 11:24 PM - 5 September, 2011
Has anybody tried this one? Since its 1TB, 2.5" x 9.5mm; I'm thinking I must be missing something. Maybe it doesnt work with MacBook Pro's?

SAMSUNG Spinpoint M8 HN-M101MBB (www.newegg.com)
1TB 5400 RPM 8MB Cache 2.5" SATA 3.0Gb/s Internal Notebook Hard Drive -Bare Drive
:::Model:::
1. Brand: SAMSUNG
2. Series: Spinpoint M8
3. Model: HN-M101MBB
4. Packaging: Bare Drive
:::Performance:::
1. SATA 3.0Gb/s Interface
2. 1TB Capacity
3. 8MB Cache
4. 12ms Average Seek Time
5. 5.6ms Average Latency
6. 5400 RPM
:::Physical Spec:::
1. Form Factor: 2.5"
2. Height (maximum): 9.5mm
3. Width (maximum): 69.75mm (0.1mm skinnier than Western Digital 750GB)
4. Length (maximum): 100.3mm (0.1mm longer than Western Digital 750GB)
:::Features:::
1. SATA Native Command Queuing Feature
2. ATA S.M.A.R.T. Feature Set
3. TuMR/PMR head with FOD technology
4. ATA Security Mode Feature Set
5. SilentSeek
6. Serial ATA 3.0Gbps Interface Support
7. NoiseGuard
8. Load/Unload Head Technology
DJ Dub Cowboy 3:23 AM - 6 September, 2011
1. wow
2. I didn't know about 
3. this tag


that drive seems like it will work. I think those just came out recently
latindj 3:50 PM - 6 September, 2011
Quote:
Has anybody tried this one? Since its 1TB, 2.5" x 9.5mm; I'm thinking I must be missing something. Maybe it doesnt work with MacBook Pro's?



SAMSUNG Spinpoint M8 HN-M101MBB (www.newegg.com)

1TB 5400 RPM 8MB Cache 2.5" SATA 3.0Gb/s Internal Notebook Hard Drive -Bare Drive

:::Model:::
1. Brand: SAMSUNG
2. Series: Spinpoint M8
3. Model: HN-M101MBB
4. Packaging: Bare Drive

:::Performance:::
1. SATA 3.0Gb/s Interface
2. 1TB Capacity
3. 8MB Cache
4. 12ms Average Seek Time
5. 5.6ms Average Latency
6. 5400 RPM

:::Physical Spec:::
1. Form Factor: 2.5"
2. Height (maximum): 9.5mm
3. Width (maximum): 69.75mm (0.1mm skinnier than Western Digital 750GB)
4. Length (maximum): 100.3mm (0.1mm longer than Western Digital 750GB)

:::Features:::
1. SATA Native Command Queuing Feature
2. ATA S.M.A.R.T. Feature Set
3. TuMR/PMR head with FOD technology
4. ATA Security Mode Feature Set
5. SilentSeek
6. Serial ATA 3.0Gbps Interface Support
7. NoiseGuard
8. Load/Unload Head Technology


It's only 5400 RPM. Sucks Donkey Balls.
AKIEM 5:01 PM - 6 September, 2011
www.newegg.com
I have mad space left. Eventually I will move to 1tb - maybe. But I see no reason to bring a huge archive to a gig.
Proto J 3:02 AM - 7 September, 2011
yeah, waiting on a 1TB that's 7200rpm... and from a reliable company like western digital.
DJ Dub Cowboy 3:25 AM - 7 September, 2011
Quote:
yeah, waiting on a 1TB that's 7200rpm... and from a reliable company like western digital.


yep, until then I just keep it 750
Proto J 3:37 AM - 7 September, 2011
yeah, got 2 WD scorpio black 750gb's in mine.
DJ Dub Cowboy 4:02 AM - 7 September, 2011
for the last 4-5 months I have been delicately balancing my library to keep it under 750GB (700 to leave some room on the drive)

that usually means adding 30 videos a week and deleting 150 shit MP3s that I have no business playing out


I think every digital DJ must have an era where they go download crazy adding more than is even possible to listen to in the amount of time it takes to acquire. I'm paying the price for that now. I don't even look online for new music anymore. When I dig, It is my own library. For new stuff, I can afford to wait until the cream rises to the top.

That is one of the reasons I love being a Video DJ. I am less exposed to crap music. If a song is really good (for playing in a club set), they usually make a video for it. That being said, I still have to sort through lots of crap videos.
Proto J 6:57 AM - 7 September, 2011
dub, just take your cd drive out and put another 750 in there. i did and it's the shit. i've only had to use a cd drive a couple times in like 8 months and i just plug it in via usb and use it.

definitely, definitely, definitely get way more out of that space with another HD than a cd drive.
DJ Dub Cowboy 7:28 AM - 7 September, 2011
I'm planning putting an SSD in there.

I don't need 33K tracks on my gig comp (or a CD drive)

slowly editing it down
Proto J 7:44 AM - 7 September, 2011
yeah, i'm gonna do the same eventually once the price comes down on SSD's...
nik39 7:47 AM - 7 September, 2011
1. code
nik39 7:47 AM - 7 September, 2011
Wow.
DJ Dub Cowboy 7:48 AM - 7 September, 2011
been waiting on that one a while, seems like they will hold steady for a while

1TB 7200 should be coming soon (I hope)


wait, don't they have them already at 12.5MM? We can drop those in the unibody right?
DJ Dub Cowboy 7:49 AM - 7 September, 2011
Quote:
1. code



I know

1. learn something
2. everyday
AKIEM 7:49 AM - 7 September, 2011
1. Ive got an 80gb SSD as my boot drive in my opti-bay
DJ Dub Cowboy 8:07 AM - 7 September, 2011
1. which model?
2. how does it work for you?



I imagine a little robot voice with this
1. tag
AKIEM 8:14 AM - 7 September, 2011
lol robot voice

SSD=intel

store.mcetech.com

I think thats the one I got (cant remember) came with a free external case for my disk drive.

Never a single problem. I do not mis the disk drive. And can pull it out when needed.

Its also an excellent excuse for not playing rappers tracks, or bullshit at weddings. Just did a wedding last weekend they tried bringing a couple CDs - see it wont go in, sorry.... hahaaa
nik39 8:48 AM - 7 September, 2011
1. 
Quote:
quote inside code



Quote:
1. code inside quote
Proto J 8:48 AM - 7 September, 2011
Quote:
Never can pull it out when needed.
see it wont go in, sorry.... hahaaa


sorry, i'm bored. LOL!
SiRocket 4:38 AM - 8 September, 2011
i love saying i don't have a cd drive :)
WarpNote 4:53 AM - 8 September, 2011
Thinking about the optibay thing myself now, I'm done ripping a cd collection of about 10-15k cd's.
Took me and a friend well over 2 years (had to be done inbetween work.) Been through quite a few cd players, both internal ones and external ones...
JD 7:59 AM - 8 September, 2011
For the people that have to hard drives in their macs.. do you feel it heats up more or battery drains faster now that you have 2 spinning hard drives installed?
JD 9:33 PM - 8 September, 2011
Answer me!.. LOL.. I gotta order one this weekend - deciding to either add a drive to cd slot or replace current HD with a bigger one..
AKIEM 9:50 PM - 8 September, 2011
The answer is probably 'yes' there is going to be more heat.

Thats part of the reason my boot drive is SSD.
latindj 12:28 AM - 9 September, 2011
Quote:
The answer is probably 'yes' there is going to be more heat.



Thats part of the reason my boot drive is SSD.


+1 eleventy billion gazillion
Proto J 9:33 AM - 10 September, 2011
i haven't noticed any extra heat, but it does drain my battery faster.

don't care tho, the pro's far outweight the cons.

this is the direction apple laptops are goin' anyways, chances are the next re-design won't have an internal cd drive.
JD 4:51 PM - 10 September, 2011
I have a 500 HD in now and all my music on an external.. Im gonna add a new HD into the cd slot, transfer all my music there, then eventually change the main drive to SSD... My only concern is - my Unibody is the 2010 pre-thunderbolt version... should one do all these things only to have a not so up to date mac vs the new ones on the block? Or will it not matter...
HYDRO MATIC 7:51 PM - 10 September, 2011
HYDRO MATIC 7:52 PM - 10 September, 2011

my own personal experience...
DJMark 1:48 AM - 13 September, 2011
Not hearing good things about reliability on Samsung hard drives.
WarpNote 9:43 PM - 13 September, 2011
Installed an 1TB optibay in a friend's old black macbook today. (the dude with the 15k cd's)
A little work installing the drive, but fairly straight forward. I've already installed the 500 GB Momentus XT Solid State Hybrid in that machine, and the speed increase was quite good.

Either going the same route with my MPB (4,1 non-unibody, Penryn type), or a proper SSD for the system drive. Think I'll take my chances with the Samsung 1TB optibay for now, will keep backups as always...

How's your experiences with SSD's ? (actually got a 256 Samsung in my Dell, and its been very nice..)

Considering either Crucial m4 SSD 2,5" 512GB or Intel® SSD 510 Series 250GB 2,5" for the MBP.
But from what I've read online, the old MBP only supports SATA speeds up to 1,5 Gbps anyway,
so maybe I'm better off with the Momentus XT Hybrid?
Henry GQ 5:28 AM - 14 September, 2011
so has been using or seen a 4tb or higher external hard drive? firewire preferrably?
Dj Nyce 8:55 AM - 14 September, 2011
Quote:
so has been using or seen a 4tb or higher external hard drive? firewire preferrably?


wd mybook world is 6TB (2 3TB drives). but this thing is huge...about the size of a toaster.

also i've had very good success with the new samsung spinpoint m8 1tb drive.
jbnyc 12:30 PM - 14 September, 2011
I use a lacie 1TB that goes to every single gig,every time i hit 900-950 GB i spend a good 4-5 hours deleting double videos or videos that i KNOW for a fact i will never spin,my internal HD is 250 i either want to upgrade that one or buy a 2 TB HD and replace the HD in the lacie enclosure (is it ok to do this?) I have a 2 TB WD my book but its HUGE, :s
Dj Nyce 3:57 PM - 14 September, 2011
if anybody is looking for a 2 tb in slim portable enclosure, i just copped an oyen digital DataTale PAIR 2-Bay FireWire 800, USB, eSATA 2.5-in RAID Enclosure w/2 samsung spinpoint m8's.

oyendigital.com
jbnyc 4:20 PM - 14 September, 2011
Cool,thanks!
WarpNote 6:41 PM - 16 September, 2011
Got a 512GB SSD today, once the 1tb Optibay Arrives I'll pop these into the machine.
Wish me luck ;)
AKIEM 6:46 PM - 16 September, 2011
Jeeze what did that 512ssd run you?
djpuma_gemini 6:48 PM - 16 September, 2011
toooooooooooo much.
djpuma_gemini 6:49 PM - 16 September, 2011
I think ssd's are overrated spinning music and videos.
AKIEM 6:53 PM - 16 September, 2011
Yeah but I use mine for my system drive. At the least it boots quicker when ssl crashes.
WarpNote 6:59 PM - 16 September, 2011
Quote:
toooooooooooo much.
Excactly...

Quote:
I think ssd's are overrated spinning music and videos.

I do agree, however I also do a lot of graphic design, motion graphics & video editing on this computer.
My showreel, its getting old, need to update it... -> Watchvimeo.com
The SSD will be installed as the system drive, no doubt.

The mbp is showing its age and I figure I'll be upgrading soon. When buying that new MBP I'll get a fast CPU and a good graphics card, then upgrade the ram & disk myself. Ie use this SSD as system disk for the new mac...

On that note, if anyone near Guelph Canada, please have a look -> serato.com
WarpNote 7:05 PM - 16 September, 2011
Actually a former colleague of mine opted for a SSD stripe raid in his last Dell 6500 Precision Mobile Workstation laptop, when the client pays, why wait...?
latindj 8:18 PM - 16 September, 2011
Quote:
Yeah but I use mine for my system drive. At the least it boots quicker when ssl crashes.


+5 crashes a week
djpuma_gemini 8:24 PM - 16 September, 2011
Ok for what you do yes. I thought it was just for serato.

I think a nice little 64 or 128 is good for the system drive and put a big ass 750 in the super drive spot
(sorry I only like 7200RPM) and 1tb's aren't there yet.
AKIEM 8:47 PM - 16 September, 2011
Quote:
Ok for what you do yes. I thought it was just for serato.

I think a nice little 64 or 128 is good for the system drive and put a big ass 750 in the super drive spot
(sorry I only like 7200RPM) and 1tb's aren't there yet.

That's how I'm doing it 80gb for system, anything I'm working on sits on the desktop.
Serato shit streams from the 750gb 7200.
Henry GQ 12:13 AM - 17 September, 2011
Quote:
if anybody is looking for a 2 tb in slim portable enclosure, i just copped an oyen digital DataTale PAIR 2-Bay FireWire 800, USB, eSATA 2.5-in RAID Enclosure w/2 samsung spinpoint m8's.

oyendigital.com


u really liek it ? i have a seagate 2tb external thats been workign pretty good. but need a backup with a firewire. this might be the one for me :)
Henry GQ 12:16 AM - 17 September, 2011
is that enclusure only?
Dj Nyce 1:59 AM - 17 September, 2011
Quote:
is that enclusure only?


enclosure only. i love it. it's mad light, quiet and doesn't get too hot. there isn't anything active cooling the drives, the samsung's do not get hot. if your laptop supports it it is bus powered on the fw 800, esata and usb.

p.s. i just put a crucial m4 128GB (Firmware 009) in my desktop and i'm getting damn near 505 MB/s sequential read/writes. The crucial is my new favorite ssd (over the OCZ Vertex 3).
Dj Nyce 2:04 AM - 17 September, 2011
Quote:

My showreel, its getting old, need to update it... -> Watchvimeo.com vimeo.com
The SSD will be installed as the system drive, no doubt.


nice reel. i see you getting your matchmove on! what do you use? I have trained on NukeX, SynthEyes, PFTrack and Boujou. I just recently started dabbling in Maya and Cinema 4D.
AKIEM 8:51 AM - 18 September, 2011
Quote:
Per say I was to get a new Mackbook Pro. If I was to upgrade to a 750gb 7200 internal harddrive, could I swap out the stock harddrive for the new one without having to clone the original drive. Or I would still have to clone the driver regardless before swapping? Noobieeeee here, thanks alllll

If you put a new blank drive in you will have to instal osx from the og disks. If you clone the drive (with super duper for example) everything will be the same, just with the the new drive.
AKIEM 9:24 PM - 19 September, 2011
no problem

I would recommend buying Super Duper and cloning your drive - then you will have a back up.
WarpNote 12:50 AM - 20 September, 2011
Quote:
p.s. i just put a crucial m4 128GB (Firmware 009) in my desktop and i'm getting damn near 505 MB/s sequential read/writes. The crucial is my new favorite ssd (over the OCZ Vertex 3).

Good to know Nyce, just waitng for the optibay delivery now, will then pop both the 512 GB SSD (Crucial M4) & the 1TB into this old machine...

However, I'm pretty much set on a new MBP for my graphics work (17" model), then leave the old one (15") for music only. So I'm thinking about maybe getting a smaller less costly SSD for the old one... (probably a Crucial M4 128GB)
JD 2:15 AM - 20 September, 2011
I just ordered a Segate 750g 7200 rpm to replace my dvd drive in my macbook pro.. woo haaa! :)
WarpNote 4:01 PM - 20 September, 2011
Damn, I'm having trouble getting the Optibay to work.
I can hear the disk spinning, but it won't mount.

So far I have tried:
1: 1TB Samsung in optibay internally - I can hear the disk spinning but not mount, ie: fail
2: SSD Crucial in optibay internally - no mount, ie: fail
3: 1TB Samsung in optibay, connected to USB with MCE external optibay enclosure, disk mounts fine.
4: 1TB Samsung in another external USB enclosure, disk mounts fine
5: Superdrive back in internal slot, reads CD's just fine

This leads me to think there's an issue with either the connector for the main board, or the main board itself, as the disk will spin when installed internally in optibay, but won't mount. This computer has the infamous GeForce 8600M GT that was known to die after some time. Mine sure did a few years back, but had it replaced by Apple free of charge... (although web cam stopped working after this "repair")

So I guess my option now is to just use the slow 5400 RPM 1TB as the system drive and music library...?
Or maybe I could get hold of another connector for the main board ?

Advice greatly appreciated at this point!

Thanks, Warp.
DJ'Que 6:10 PM - 20 September, 2011
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no problem

I would recommend buying Super Duper and cloning your drive - then you will have a back up.
no have you tried carbon copy clone. its free and backs up everything and even makes the drive bootable. i link both my macbook pros up and backup like that. the both mac's are identical.
WarpNote 6:15 PM - 20 September, 2011
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]no have you tried carbon copy clone. its free and backs up everything and even makes the drive bootable. i link both my macbook pros up and backup like that. the both mac's are identical.


+ 1
Just used Carbon Copy Cloner for the SSD system drive, works well.

Still need advice on the optibay though.
BTW, I've emailed MCE support...
AKIEM 7:08 PM - 20 September, 2011
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]no have you tried carbon copy clone. its free and backs up everything and even makes the drive bootable. i link both my macbook pros up and backup like that. the both mac's are identical.


+ 1
Just used Carbon Copy Cloner for the SSD system drive, works well.

Still need advice on the optibay though.
BTW, I've emailed MCE support...


Years ago I tried ccc - spent hours trying to make it work - would not make the drive bootable - found it was a bug - found super duper - was happy to pay for it and never look back



WarpNote, I would bet MCE has the best advice on how to proceed
WarpNote 1:19 PM - 21 September, 2011
Thanks Akiem, MCE is looking into it, not to sure if they're gonna solve it though...

Sorry to hear your misfortune with CCC, its been very straight forward in my experience.
The only thing I've needed to do, is to make sure the new disk has a different name than the original, when running CCC. ie, don't call it "Macintosh HD". Then after the clone is done I rename the new disk to the same as the original, ie "Macintosh HD". I've done this 3 times on different machines, never had any troubles....
AKIEM 6:11 PM - 21 September, 2011
Hope MCE straightens it out for you, they should at least send you a new one to try, these things must cost them a fraction of what we pau for them.

I think ccc had a known bug when I tried it, that was back in 04. Since then I've used super duper dozens of times on all my macs, internal, externals, bare drives. Saved my ass several times booting from external drives. One of the best software purchases I've ever made. Maybe ccc is on par by now but...
SiRocket 6:19 PM - 21 September, 2011
i have used super duper and didn't pay for it (no its not cracked). I have done 4 computers already....
AKIEM 6:29 PM - 21 September, 2011
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i have used super duper and didn't pay for it (no its not cracked). I have done 4 computers already....

Yeah you can use it to make clones, it copies the entire drive. There's a gang of other stuff you can do with the paid version like copy only recent changes to a drive to make it identical, works much faster. Or ignore certain folders you don't want copied if you have to clone to a smaller drive...
SiRocket 4:22 AM - 22 September, 2011
ahhhhh, normally i use it once and im done (per computer), i have chronosync for my syncing and such. appreciate the answer :)
WarpNote 7:27 AM - 22 September, 2011
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Hope MCE straightens it out for you, they should at least send you a new one to try, these things must cost them a fraction of what we pau for them.

So far they haven't been to helpful, they just suggested I get hold of another connector,
anyone know where to order those?

Thanks, Warp
djpuma_gemini 7:33 AM - 22 September, 2011
Super Duper FTW.
Smart backups for life.
WarpNote 7:57 AM - 22 September, 2011
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Yeah you can use it to make clones, it copies the entire drive. There's a gang of other stuff you can do with the paid version like copy only recent changes to a drive to make it identical, works much faster. Or ignore certain folders you don't want copied if you have to clone to a smaller drive...

You do know that CCC does this too right?
Well anyway, use what works for you, Super Duper sounds...well, like a SUPER app :D
DJ'Que 11:27 AM - 23 September, 2011
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Damn, I'm having trouble getting the Optibay to work.
I can hear the disk spinning, but it won't mount.

So far I have tried:
1: 1TB Samsung in optibay internally - I can hear the disk spinning but not mount, ie: fail
2: SSD Crucial in optibay internally - no mount, ie: fail
3: 1TB Samsung in optibay, connected to USB with MCE external optibay enclosure, disk mounts fine.
4: 1TB Samsung in another external USB enclosure, disk mounts fine
5: Superdrive back in internal slot, reads CD's just fine sounds like its not getting a full connection when you plug the optibay in to the logic board

This leads me to think there's an issue with either the connector for the main board, or the main board itself, as the disk will spin when installed internally in optibay, but won't mount. This computer has the infamous GeForce 8600M GT that was known to die after some time. Mine sure did a few years back, but had it replaced by Apple free of charge... (although web cam stopped working after this "repair")

So I guess my option now is to just use the slow 5400 RPM 1TB as the system drive and music library...?
Or maybe I could get hold of another connector for the main board ?

Advice greatly appreciated at this point!

Thanks, Warp.

Quote:
Damn, I'm having trouble getting the Optibay to work.
I can hear the disk spinning, but it won't mount.

So far I have tried:
1: 1TB Samsung in optibay internally - I can hear the disk spinning but not mount, ie: fail
2: SSD Crucial in optibay internally - no mount, ie: fail
3: 1TB Samsung in optibay, connected to USB with MCE external optibay enclosure, disk mounts fine.
4: 1TB Samsung in another external USB enclosure, disk mounts fine
5: Superdrive back in internal slot, reads CD's just fine

This leads me to think there's an issue with either the connector for the main board, or the main board itself, as the disk will spin when installed internally in optibay, but won't mount. This computer has the infamous GeForce 8600M GT that was known to die after some time. Mine sure did a few years back, but had it replaced by Apple free of charge... (although web cam stopped working after this "repair")

So I guess my option now is to just use the slow 5400 RPM 1TB as the system drive and music library...?
Or maybe I could get hold of another connector for the main board ?

Advice greatly appreciated at this point!

Thanks, Warp.
DJ'Que 11:54 PM - 26 September, 2011
just picked up 2 of these 1tb from micro center. www.microcenter.com
latindj 3:42 AM - 27 September, 2011
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just picked up 2 of these 1tb from micro center. www.microcenter.com


5400 RPM = fail
DJ Dub Cowboy 4:02 AM - 27 September, 2011
are we ever going to see 7200 RPM 1TB drives?
DJ'Que 3:44 PM - 27 September, 2011
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just picked up 2 of these 1tb from micro center. www.microcenter.com


5400 RPM = fail
how is that when both my macbook pro's are running 500gb @ 5400 with nio problems.
dj-freestyle 3:48 PM - 27 September, 2011
I had a 500gb 7200 and changed it for a 1tb 5400 and i see no difference. its been over a year so who knows
DJ'Que 3:58 PM - 27 September, 2011
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are we ever going to see 7200 RPM 1TB drives?
here on dub. www.newegg.com
jbnyc 4:01 PM - 27 September, 2011
Are we ever going to see a 2 TB drive? O.O that would be sweet!
latindj 4:03 PM - 27 September, 2011
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just picked up 2 of these 1tb from micro center. www.microcenter.com




5400 RPM = fail
how is that when both my macbook pro's are running 500gb @ 5400 with nio problems.


well, your hd needs to search 2x the space at the same speed of 5400...it will probably be slow.
DJ'Que 4:03 PM - 27 September, 2011
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are we ever going to see 7200 RPM 1TB drives?
here on dub. www.newegg.com
just read the reviews and it don't look good for a laptop. said it runs hot and wont fit in most.
latindj 4:04 PM - 27 September, 2011
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are we ever going to see 7200 RPM 1TB drives?
here on dub. www.newegg.com
just read the reviews and it don't look good for a laptop. said it runs hot and wont fit in most.


yup, that fucker is more than half inch thick (no penis)
DJ'Que 4:05 PM - 27 September, 2011
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just picked up 2 of these 1tb from micro center. www.microcenter.com




5400 RPM = fail
how is that when both my macbook pro's are running 500gb @ 5400 with nio problems.


well, your hd needs to search 2x the space at the same speed of 5400...it will probably be slow.
not using for serato video and music
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 5:30 AM - 28 September, 2011
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just picked up 2 of these 1tb from micro center. www.microcenter.com


Ha, I just left from there...
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 5:30 AM - 28 September, 2011
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just picked up 2 of these 1tb from micro center. www.microcenter.com


5400 RPM = fail


Yep...

Damn son.
DJMark 9:20 AM - 28 September, 2011
The current 5400rpm drives are way more than "just fine" for DJ-ing...including videos. The 7200rpm speed mattered a lot more 5 years ago when laptop-size drives were all much slower than current models.

There's no "fail" about 5400rpm (or even the 5200rpm that the 12.5mm-thickness WD 1TB drives revolve at).

I just wish sizes larger than 1TB would become available...it's been nearly two years with the size of laptop-sized drives topped out at 1TB.
latindj 9:18 PM - 28 September, 2011
^well, I have had issues with them...
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 9:35 PM - 28 September, 2011
Man look....

The REAL secret to speed is the CACHE...

If you get a 7200 with only 8MB of Cache, that's comparable to a 5400 with 16MB (or more) of cache...

We been tellin' y'all for YEARS....

Where's Beezle, he can find that thread...
DJMark 10:37 PM - 28 September, 2011
There's no one "secret" to speed. There's a whole bunch of inter-related factors, including areal density and the firmware, as well as the more obvious things like rotational speed and cache size.

For DJ-ing, which involves a lot of random-access of fairly large files, I would expect the drive's cache to play a relatively minor role. If you're running the OS and apps from the same drives, a larger cache size is probably most helpful on the OS-related functions involving drive access.

Probably the biggest factor of all is reliability, since obviously drive speed means nothing when the drive dies. Seagate seems to be continuing it's bottom-feeding status in that regard, and I'm not hearing great things about Samsung's drives either.

I have to give props to Western Digital's RMA service....the one time I've had a WD drive fail, the process to get it replaced was quick and painless. Seagate, going on everything I've heard from people who've tried to get in-warranty replacements for failed drives, is much more problematic.
DJMark 10:41 PM - 28 September, 2011
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^well, I have had issues with them...


More info? I've had no issues relating to drive speed at all, and I've been using the 5X00rpm Western Digital drives for several years now.

It definitely makes the whole computer feel faster to use an SSD for OS/apps, but even before I was doing that the 5400rpm drives ran Serato with video just fine.

Wondering if maybe you were experiencing some other issue unrelated to the rotational speed (there's been plenty of them, some discussed in this thread).
latindj 10:54 PM - 28 September, 2011
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^well, I have had issues with them...




More info? I've had no issues relating to drive speed at all, and I've been using the 5X00rpm Western Digital drives for several years now.



It definitely makes the whole computer feel faster to use an SSD for OS/apps, but even before I was doing that the 5400rpm drives ran Serato with video just fine.



Wondering if maybe you were experiencing some other issue unrelated to the rotational speed (there's been plenty of them, some discussed in this thread).


I had delays loading music and video files. Once loaded, they worked fine, but I couldn't stand the delays. I tried resolving the issues with all the known "fixes" and they didn't work.
sixxx 11:20 PM - 28 September, 2011
You know... I've always used external drives and I've never had delay issues. Is that because it's an external drive? I've used both firewire and USB connections now.
phatbob 11:32 PM - 28 September, 2011
I've been using Chinese knock-off optibays for a few years now, always with 5200rpm WD Scorpio Blue drives, and I've never had an issue with access speed. And that's on an old MBP with an IDE interface in the optical bay!

About to stick a 750gb Scorpio black in my new Unibody, but that's only because they're so cheap now.

I swear by WD 2.5 internals. Wouldn't buy anything else aftermarket.
latindj 11:40 PM - 28 September, 2011
the delays I experienced were with a WD 750gb scorpio blue drive.
sixxx 11:40 PM - 28 September, 2011
I agree. WD is on point. Sure drives will fail, but the ratio of failure seems to be a lot higher with other brands.
sixxx 11:40 PM - 28 September, 2011
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the delays I experienced were with a WD 750gb scorpio blue drive.


Then, it's gotta be something else. :/
latindj 11:41 PM - 28 September, 2011
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the delays I experienced were with a WD 750gb scorpio blue drive.




Then, it's gotta be something else. :/


tried all the fixes...firmware, etc. and nothing worked.
sixxx 11:43 PM - 28 September, 2011
I hate when you can't figure out what's wrong. Reminds me of the issues I had with my macbook... no major issues but annoying nonetheless.
DJMark 12:08 AM - 29 September, 2011
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the delays I experienced were with a WD 750gb scorpio blue drive.


Was it used internally, or external?

I had one of those for about a year (been using the 12.5mm WD 1TB since then, for about 9 months), and it worked totally fine for me.

If it was external, might have been an issue with the enclosure. (?)

Could have also simply been a bad sample of the drive I guess. I tend to buy in pairs partly for immediate backup, partly in case I see any performance differences between samples.
latindj 12:31 AM - 29 September, 2011
it was internal
latindj 12:38 AM - 29 September, 2011
I ended up going with a 256gb SSD drive as my main drive for OS and Apps and a 750gb ssd hyrid for my music and some vids. Got them both for free and solved all my problems. When I need my entire vid collection I rock a WD external via e-sata. Works like a champ!
DJ'Que 9:35 PM - 9 October, 2011
ah yeah
www.microcenter.com
Scorpio Blue 1TB 5200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 2.5" Internal Notebook Hard Drive WD10TPVT - OEM
R-Tistic 1:49 AM - 10 October, 2011
I have the 13 inch pro, and biggest they let me put in was 750GB when I ordered it
DJ'Que 8:44 PM - 11 October, 2011
whats up R I was at Zin lounge last week with dj xtreme . I was the one that played a few cut after he got on and b4 you got back on. but the biggest hd was 750 until now. they have the 1tb out. 1.5 is next.
R-Tistic 2:30 AM - 12 October, 2011
Ohhh what's good! Didn't realize that was you!

Damn, I might have got mine too early if they have 1TB now, SMH. I probably have around 500GB full on mine.
DJ Dub Cowboy 4:54 PM - 20 October, 2011
1TB SSDs in the pipeline

www.engadget.com
sixxx 5:28 PM - 20 October, 2011
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1TB SSDs in the pipeline

www.engadget.com


Yeah... at $1 - 1.30 per gigagbite.... ouch.
DJ Dub Cowboy 5:42 PM - 20 October, 2011
right?!?!?!

but that also spells out good news for the smaller drives. I'm eyeing the OWC Mercury EXTREME
eshop.macsales.com

but these new OCZs should be cheaper for the 256GB
CMOS 6:32 PM - 20 October, 2011
Newegg has a 120gb SSD for $154 on sale today.

www.newegg.com
sixxx 6:40 PM - 20 October, 2011
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Newegg has a 120gb SSD for $154 on sale today.

www.newegg.com


only 120gb? pss... who uses only 120?????
SiRocket 6:49 PM - 20 October, 2011
people with optibays :)
sixxx 6:59 PM - 20 October, 2011
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people with optibays :)


shit... put a 1tb there if you're going to modify it!
DJ Dub Cowboy 7:05 PM - 20 October, 2011
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Newegg has a 120gb SSD for $154 on sale today.

www.newegg.com


anybody know how reliable this drive is?
Dj K.Smith 7:07 PM - 20 October, 2011
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people with optibays :)

(2) separate 1TB drives in my Macbook Pros... Both with optibays, =)
CMOS 7:26 PM - 20 October, 2011
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Newegg has a 120gb SSD for $154 on sale today.

www.newegg.com


anybody know how reliable this drive is?



Will let you know in a few days lol. For that price i couldnt pass it up.
SiRocket 7:53 PM - 20 October, 2011
k smizzzzzz knows whats up!
M4U 1:01 AM - 22 October, 2011
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i was looking at installing a bigger hard drive on my mackbook pro 2.33
and google'd on this topic...

seeing how most of my gigs are now music videos, it would save me some energy NOT setting up an external and just going with ONLY a macbook laptop and when i do only music gigs i can bring along an external

anyone?

I use a Seagate 500GB external with a firewire, But eagerly waiting for the Thunderbolt technology connector. Firewire 800 has worked well.
djpuma_gemini 3:24 AM - 22 October, 2011
ssd is not needed for djing, overkill and overpriced.
Two 750gb 7200rpms and I'm straight.
Proto J 9:57 AM - 22 October, 2011
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ssd is not needed for djing, overkill and overpriced.
Two 750gb 7200rpms and I'm straight.


that's what i'm saying.

got 2 WD scorpio black 750gb @ 7200rpms and i'm loving life.
dj-freestyle 4:33 PM - 24 October, 2011
Not overpriced if you get a small one just for operating system and some programs and keep 750 free for music. then not overpriced at all
Proto J 8:48 PM - 24 October, 2011
overpriced for the use you get out of it. i mean, how often do you boot up your computer? i just close mine and put it to sleep, only shut it down about once a week.

and it's not like any of my programs take mad long to load or anything.
AKIEM 8:55 PM - 24 October, 2011
Solves heat issues and much more safe if dropped. Well worth it to me.
dj-freestyle 3:23 PM - 25 October, 2011
Ya i do three shows a weekend easily and its been huge upgrade. i love it
DJ'Que 4:42 PM - 25 October, 2011
I too feel that a ssd is overkill for djing. thats why I have 2 1tb drives in my laptop instead of a ssd that will only get booted up once at a gig just like any regular hd. plus I plug into a CyberPower 550 or 350 backup battery. I plug laptop, harddrive's (my mac without the 2 1tb in them) and top coffin on it. plus I have a Ipod always hooked up and ready to play just in case. I alway get to the club or event 1hr or more to setup witch mean a ssd is useless. my Ipod has 5 1 hr mixes on them from 9 to 2am so I can choose a 10 o'clock mix at 10pm or so on.
the_black_one 9:26 PM - 25 October, 2011
NOT just for SL but upgrading your computer with an SSD is one of the best investments you can make. Run cooler, better battery life, faster performance all around, faster boot up time, more shock resistant. You guys that feel its over kill are plain un - educated on technical aspects of hardware
djpuma_gemini 10:10 PM - 25 October, 2011
ssd's won't be worth it to me until I can get a 500Gb for around $150 or less.

I need all the hard drive space since I spin video and a 256 ssd won't cut it for the OS drive (plus audio)
AKIEM 11:05 PM - 25 October, 2011
Ive got a 80gb SSD partitioned for two OS
And 750gb for video/audio internal

If I need more of my videos (never really do) I can bring an external with everything else on it.
the_black_one 11:19 PM - 25 October, 2011
Akiem +1
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 12:12 AM - 26 October, 2011
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NOT just for SL but upgrading your computer with an SSD is one of the best investments you can make. Run cooler, better battery life, faster performance all around, faster boot up time, more shock resistant. You guys that feel its over kill are plain un - educated on technical aspects of hardware


I won't go SSD because I just don't TRUST it yet. I need a spinning platter to retrieve data from if necessary. I keep thinking that it's just a bunch of chips, that may one day go "POOF", and there is no chance of recovery....

Nah, not the kid...

At least with conventional HD's, they start to click, bang, heat up, or in some instances give you a S.M.A.R.T. message in enough time to back it up because you know you haven't lately...
the_black_one 12:39 AM - 26 October, 2011
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NOT just for SL but upgrading your computer with an SSD is one of the best investments you can make. Run cooler, better battery life, faster performance all around, faster boot up time, more shock resistant. You guys that feel its over kill are plain un - educated on technical aspects of hardware


I won't go SSD because I just don't TRUST it yet. I need a spinning platter to retrieve data from if necessary. I keep thinking that it's just a bunch of chips, that may one day go "POOF", and there is no chance of recovery....

Nah, not the kid...

At least with conventional HD's, they start to click, bang, heat up, or in some instances give you a S.M.A.R.T. message in enough time to back it up because you know you haven't lately...



if you have good back up habits you dont have to worry about hearing clicks or warning signs. Back up everyday!
AKIEM 12:40 AM - 26 October, 2011
yeah, I was a little worried about that and will still like to (not) go through the dying process with it. For the first couple years I kept a real tight back up on a mirror partition on the moving drive.

But I dont even bother doing that anymore. I have a backup on an external that I can bring with if the gig is critical.

But its been perfect so far. and my laptop is actually cool to the touch where that drive sits.
the_black_one 12:53 AM - 26 October, 2011
I have an intel 120 SSD for my OS and all music and videos are on a External.


Backup solution for me is.

A ) SuperDuper the external that has all my music and videos to another identical external. SuperDuper has smart back up that only copy/delete recent activity witch makes backing up my drive a matter of 5 minutes tops every day. That gives me two extract external with all my music that i take to gigs so if one fails just plug the other in.

B ) Use SuperrDuper to clone my OS drive in my computer to another external drive. I take this drive with me to gigs as well but its not in an enclosure because if the SSD fails i just pop this drive into my computer and up and running in no time.My MBP quick access to the HD so changing out HD is a matter of a few minutes.

****So i take 2 externals and 1 HD to all my gigs***** if the drive in my computer fails, i got a back up on the spot.If my external with all my music fails, i got a back up on the spot.

C ) Off site back up is Time machine that i keep at home that backs up my OS drive and my external all together to a 2 T drive that sits in a safe (fire proof) when im not using it.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 1:48 AM - 26 October, 2011
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Quote:
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NOT just for SL but upgrading your computer with an SSD is one of the best investments you can make. Run cooler, better battery life, faster performance all around, faster boot up time, more shock resistant. You guys that feel its over kill are plain un - educated on technical aspects of hardware


I won't go SSD because I just don't TRUST it yet. I need a spinning platter to retrieve data from if necessary. I keep thinking that it's just a bunch of chips, that may one day go "POOF", and there is no chance of recovery....

Nah, not the kid...

At least with conventional HD's, they start to click, bang, heat up, or in some instances give you a S.M.A.R.T. message in enough time to back it up because you know you haven't lately...


if you have good back up habits you dont have to worry about hearing clicks or warning signs. Back up everyday!


I'm an IT guy, so I know ALL about good backup habits...However, SSD isn't on my list ANYWAY, because I need 1 TB or more...
AKIEM 3:17 AM - 26 October, 2011
You need more then one drive
the_black_one 5:18 AM - 26 October, 2011
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You need more then one drive



true dat ..... always buy 2 of everything!
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 8:38 PM - 26 October, 2011
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You need more then one drive


Of course, by default.
CMOS 8:51 PM - 26 October, 2011
I havent put my new ssd in yet. But shouldnt analyzing files from the SSD be much faster?

I plan on downloading to my SSD, analyze/tag, then dump onto sata drive.
Proto J 9:00 PM - 26 October, 2011
i'm just saying, price vs capacity vs what i'm using it for, doesn't make a lot of sense for me to have one yet.
AKIEM 10:21 PM - 26 October, 2011
Sure if all you looking at is price v capacity, but there are other benefits.

I don't think you will analyze any faster because it's the speed of the CPU that would be governing.
the_black_one 11:37 PM - 26 October, 2011
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Sure if all you looking at is price v capacity, but there are other benefits.

I don't think you will analyze any faster because it's the speed of the CPU that would be governing.



If you make the jump to a SSD i believe you will see a bump in performance when analyzing files. I saw a huge bump when i moved to lion from snow leopard!
DJ Dub Cowboy 12:11 AM - 27 October, 2011
can't wait to bump the laptop up to lion, I'm waiting on printer drivers for my 6 year old Oki color laser printer...arrrrg!
Picpac 10:53 AM - 1 November, 2011
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Just got the confirmation that it was shipped today and I got one of two available 7K750's.
Gonna pop it into my MBP and let you know how it performs. So excited :)


Hi Serkan,
i'm looking for the same HDD but don't find any store that has it. Could you tell me where you bought it? Still happy with the drive?
Thanks.
DJ Dub Cowboy 3:16 AM - 14 November, 2011
I've been waiting for a 1TB 7200 RPM WD drive but I can't wait any longer. Going to order a couple of the 5400 RPM scorpio blues and put one in my CD bay and the other for external back-up.

(DJMark) Do I need to do any hacks on these for optimum performance? (disable motion sensor, etc)
DJ Dub Cowboy 3:25 AM - 14 November, 2011
is anybody using the Samsung Spinpoint M8 1TB?

I'm having trouble finding the WD in stock and these seem to be a bit cheaper.
DJ Dub Cowboy 3:38 AM - 14 November, 2011
even WD store is out of stock on these drives, makes me think that there is something new coming soon. perhaps I'll wait a bit longer.....
DJMark 3:54 AM - 14 November, 2011
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I've been waiting for a 1TB 7200 RPM WD drive but I can't wait any longer. Going to order a couple of the 5400 RPM scorpio blues and put one in my CD bay and the other for external back-up.

(DJMark) Do I need to do any hacks on these for optimum performance? (disable motion sensor, etc)


Yes, you should disable the Mac's built-in motion sensor when using any drive that incorporates similar technology. I absolutely had to do that for the 1tb 5200rpm WD drive I installed last year, and I assume same is true for the newer 5400rpm (9.5mm-height) drives).

Otherwise, that drive performs perfectly adequately for DJ-ing, video or not.
DJ Dub Cowboy 4:11 AM - 14 November, 2011
Thanks,

I can't find any on stock, only the 5200 RPM version. You've had yours for a year, they should be dropping a new model soon I would think.
DJMark 4:51 AM - 14 November, 2011
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Thanks,

I can't find any on stock, only the 5200 RPM version. You've had yours for a year, they should be dropping a new model soon I would think.


There is a newer 5400rpm two-platter 9.5mm-high version of the 1tb WD. I have one though have just been using it as a backup. Model is WD10JPVT.

The older 5200rpm three-platter 12.5mm-high drive is still in my MBP. It's model number is WD10TPVT.

Newer model seems to perform similarly to the older, but rated power draw is quite a lot lower.

All of the larger WD drives are becoming impossible to find as the supply chain empties in the wake of the Thailand flooding.

Under "normal" circumstances, I would have expected a 1.5tb or larger laptop-size drive by now from Seagate or WD. I have to guess both the economy and the rise of SSD's is hurting both companies and therefore their R&D budgets. The flood might prove pretty catastrophic for WD, which would be a major loss.

I'm going to guess, FWIW, that the next size bump will come from Samsung. Unfortunately their drives don't seem to have a stellar reliability record so far (just what I've heard).
DJ Dub Cowboy 5:10 AM - 14 November, 2011
any link to reviews or info on the samsungs, I'm eyeing that spinpoint M8 since I can't find the WDs or they are overpriced.
DJ Dub Cowboy 5:52 AM - 14 November, 2011
I just pulled the trigger on a couple samsung spinpoint M8s. After reading about Thailand, it looks like HDs will be getting more expensive and harder to get until way into next year.
DJMark 6:00 AM - 14 November, 2011
The only recent published reliability review I've seen is this one from about a year ago:
www.tomshardware.com

What I have on the Samsung drives is mostly word of mouth and a couple of my own experiences. Definitely a good move that you got two, in any case.

And yep it looks like the flooding is affecting pricing/availability of drives from all manufacturers.
DJ Dub Cowboy 6:34 AM - 14 November, 2011
at least I didn't get seagates....


one M8 is going in the CD bay and the other in my FW800 enclosure that I currently use as a backup clone. I've been fighting to keep my library under 750GB but I just picked up a new gig that will certainly see me adding more music faster than I can delete old stuff.

How do I disable the motion sensor on the mac? Do I even need to with these Spinpoints?
DJ Dub Cowboy 6:36 AM - 14 November, 2011
I can't even find the specs to these on the samsung website
DJ Dub Cowboy 6:37 AM - 14 November, 2011
Quote:
I can't even find the specs to these on the samsung website

nevermind

www.samsung.com
DJ Dub Cowboy 6:48 AM - 14 November, 2011
I see the WDs have "SecurePark" which I assume is their version of SMS.

Is the Samsung version, "TuMR/PMR head with FOD technology" or "Load/Unload Head Technology "?

to anyone has installed a Samsung Spinpoint M8 1TB in a MBP (optibay), did you do any tweaks?
Dj Nyce 7:01 PM - 14 November, 2011
Quote:
I see the WDs have "SecurePark" which I assume is their version of SMS.

Is the Samsung version, "TuMR/PMR head with FOD technology" or "Load/Unload Head Technology "?

to anyone has installed a Samsung Spinpoint M8 1TB in a MBP (optibay), did you do any tweaks?


i use wd scorpio blues and samsung spinpoint's. I did change any settings on my mbp when installing the spinpoint. i have spinpoints in 2 mbp's and they have been working flawlessly.

i also have four 2 TB spinpoints in my desktop and they work flawlessly as well. i love WD, but kudos to samsung for putting out some quality HD's in the last 2 years.
DJ Dub Cowboy 5:25 AM - 15 November, 2011
wow, the hard drives I purchased yesterday are $10 more expensive today. If you are thinking about upgrading your HD in the next 6 months, buy now.
djpuma_gemini 3:19 PM - 15 November, 2011
Don't buy now, wait for a while.
The floods in Thailand messed up hard drive production.

A 750 7200RPM I bought for $89 is now selling for $150
JDforKing 4:51 PM - 15 November, 2011
Quote:
Don't buy now, wait for a while.
The floods in Thailand messed up hard drive production.

A 750 7200RPM I bought for $89 is now selling for $150



Which 750 did you purchase and how is it working out for you puma?
DJ Dub Cowboy 4:58 PM - 15 November, 2011
Quote:
Don't buy now, wait for a while.
The floods in Thailand messed up hard drive production.

A 750 7200RPM I bought for $89 is now selling for $150


people are saying mid 2012 until things come back to normal. that is a long time to wait.
Dj Nyce 10:04 PM - 15 November, 2011
slickdeals still has some deals on drives. and i'm sure black friday will uncover some deals as well.
DJMark 10:26 PM - 15 November, 2011
Quote:

i use wd scorpio blues and samsung spinpoint's. I did change any settings on my mbp when installing the spinpoint. i have spinpoints in 2 mbp's and they have been working flawlessly.

i also have four 2 TB spinpoints in my desktop and they work flawlessly as well. i love WD, but kudos to samsung for putting out some quality HD's in the last 2 years.


Cool to hear some good feedback on the Samsungs. If they can ramp up production and fill in the demand, I suspect a lot of us will end up using them, especially if they break the 1tb 2.5-inch barrier sometime soon.
DJMark 7:17 AM - 16 November, 2011
Interesting observation here...

Just put the newer WD 9.5mm 2-platter 1tb drive in my MacBook Pro, in place of the older 12.5mm 3-platter model of the same capacity.

On the 3-platter drive (and past smaller-size 2-platter WD drives) I've never been able to have four VIDEOS analyzing at once without things really bogging down. Audio files would be fine 4-at-a-time, but videos would slow things to a crawl when going 4 at once.

With the newer drive, things seem okay with video files analyzing 4 at once. Looks like overall throughput/access is a lot better on the 2-platter 1tb units.

The older drive was always slow on 4-at-a-time videos even when new, so it's not an "aging" or "close to full" thing.

Also noted drumming cuepoints on videos with newer drive seems more immediately-responsive. On the older drive it could be very slightly sluggish.
sixxx 3:28 PM - 16 November, 2011
That's a good observation. Thanks for sharing DJMark. My MBP analyzes 8 files at once so I'm eager to see how fast it does that when it's not running off the external.
Picpac 3:33 PM - 16 November, 2011
is this WD 9.5mm drive silent? i had a few month ago a Western Digital Scorpio Black 750GB/7200rpm in my macbook pro, but after 2 weeks i threw it out because compared to my prior hitachi 7k500 (also 7200rpm) it was vibrating like crazy... in the store they already told be it would be vibrating but i had to try it to believe it. the hitachi is just perfect, it's so silent, but i need more space, and the 750GB model seems to be available nowhere, at least around germany...

if this 1TB drive is silent and you don't feel vibrations under your left palm when your hand is next to your touchpad i'd want to check it out.
DJMark 11:31 PM - 16 November, 2011
Yes, the new WD drive is silent, vibration-free, and seems to be staying pretty cool even in the middle of analyzing 20,000+ files (staying at a consistent 36C after about 15 hours of activity), heat barely noticeable though the top of the case next to trackpad.

The Hitachi 7200rpm laptop drives were definitely the quietest I've seen at that speed, though I had a few 7200rpm WD drives that didn't seem too bad. Never tried the 750gb version though.

The new 1tb 9.5mm drive was about $120 when I bought it about a month ago. Now it's listed on my local store's site at $249 (though it may not even be in stock).
Picpac 11:39 PM - 16 November, 2011
sounds great, thanks for the info, DJMark! i'll try to find one — and in case i manage, i'll report my experience here.
DJ'Que 5:51 PM - 17 November, 2011
Quote:
I see the WDs have "SecurePark" which I assume is their version of SMS.

Is the Samsung version, "TuMR/PMR head with FOD technology" or "Load/Unload Head Technology "?

to anyone has installed a Samsung Spinpoint M8 1TB in a MBP (optibay), did you do any tweaks?
nope no tweaks
Res-Q 12:14 PM - 30 November, 2011
Sorry if this is off topic, but I'm sure DJMark and the mac gurus can help me out. And I trust you guys more than any random dude on a mac forum.
So I got the logicboard of my 2.66Ghz Intel Core 2 Duo MBP replaced while I was in Tokyo because one usb port wasnt working anymore, they also replaced both fans and the battery (thank god for applecare).
Now I'm in Korea for a while where there are no official applestores, only retailers. And my keyboard doesnt light-up anymore....
I googled this issue, installed Lab Tick but still the keyboard wont light. I also read about SMC resetting, is this safe? There seems to be several ways to do this reset, can anyone point me in the right direction?
Thanks for your help and sorry again for the off-topic
DJLRock 5:58 PM - 30 November, 2011
smc reset is safe
support.apple.com
Res-Q 8:01 PM - 30 November, 2011
Merci L you Rock bro!
Res-Q 8:12 PM - 30 November, 2011
but it didnt work.... :(
DJLRock 9:03 PM - 30 November, 2011
What do the keyboard backlight control keys do? Does it show them functioning?
Res-Q 9:33 PM - 30 November, 2011
yes F5 and F6 are showing up as working up n down but not lighting the keyboard
DJMark 1:40 AM - 1 December, 2011
Res-Q I'm going to guess you have a simple (conceptually, anyway) connection issue causing the keyboard backlight to no longer work.
Res-Q 7:46 AM - 1 December, 2011
so i guess,i'll have to send my mbp back in for repair when i get a chance to go to a country that has an applestore again right Mark?
dj_craigmac 11:10 PM - 28 March, 2012
Ok peeps i need to upgrade my hdd for my macbook please suggest the best brand to go with quality and build wise. I'm thinking 500GB and up (quiet and low vibration). Your input is appreciated. Yes i'm lazy and didn't read this entire post and things have changed some since 2011. For all of you that did put new hdd's in, how are the holding up ?
CMOS 11:13 PM - 28 March, 2012
Are you guys seeing ridiculous drive prices lately? That flood is fuckin up my bottom line.

Drives i used to pay 150-200 for are going for 6-700 right now. Ugh. I hope it starts to come down after the summer like they are speculating, and it doesnt just stay up there like gas or some shit.
CMOS 11:21 PM - 28 March, 2012
To put it in perspective, i just built a backup server for a client that holds 45 - 2.5" drives. Total cost for the server, processor, ram, and cabling came to about $2800.

For us to fill this thing with 45 2.5" 1tb 6gps sas drives is going to cost $18,000 just for the drives. Its more than double what i paid for the exact same drives last year.

Nevermind finding anyone who even has this many in stock, ive been ordering 2 from here, 5 from there, 8 from there.


Ugh rant over.
Dj Nyce 12:54 AM - 29 March, 2012
just bought two Samsung Spinpoint M8 1TB HD's for $109 /ea. best price you'll find anywhere. these drives are the bomb.com

8mb cache, 9.5mm and 5400 rpm. i have put 3 of these in other laptops as well and they are performing as just as good as WD's.

i also have (4) samsung 2TB 3.5" drives in a nas at home and they have been flawless.
pb 4:12 AM - 29 March, 2012
Just got a new mbp, custom ordered with a 750GB 7200rpm drive. Is there a TB internal that spins at 7200rpm out there? I couldn't find anything locally. btw the 750GB seems like more than enough but I'm sure it will fill up quickly. Thanks
DJMark 4:19 AM - 29 March, 2012
Quote:
Is there a TB internal that spins at 7200rpm out there?


Not as of now.

Sadly, it seems that development (increasing size/speeds} of laptop-size hard drives has slowed dramatically in the last 2-3 years. Very noticeable especially after the size/speed race we saw in the years before 2009.
pb 4:21 AM - 29 March, 2012
Yeah, the manufacturers seem to be moving to solid state drives, which are very expensive currently. Hopefully by 2013 prices will drop and a 1 to 2TB SSD will be an affordable option.
DJMark 5:25 AM - 29 March, 2012
I think we might be waiting more like 5 years for 1-2 TB SSD's to come down to "affordable" prices... there's been encouraging SSD development, but even if those sizes come out in the next year, they're likely to be very expensive.
erange 5:27 AM - 29 March, 2012
didn't read the msg feed but i just took out my 1tb because of frequent kernel panics. it worked great for a long time, but between my ssl library getting bigger (100k +) & perhaps the low cache (8mb), its been bugging the last 2-3 weeks at my weekly residency. i went with a 750 gig, 7200rpm, 32mb cache SSD hybrid.
DJMark 5:46 AM - 29 March, 2012
Quote:
didn't read the msg feed but i just took out my 1tb because of frequent kernel panics.


Did you shut off the "Sudden Motion Sensor" built into Mac OS X?

If your 1tb drive had similar functionality built in (like most current WD drives have had for a few years), you WILL get a Kernel Panic if both Apple's and the drive's sensors activate at the same time.

Solution: shut off Apple's Sudden Motion Sensor (details on Apple's site).
nik39 7:56 AM - 29 March, 2012
Quote:
Quote:
didn't read the msg feed but i just took out my 1tb because of frequent kernel panics.


Did you shut off the "Sudden Motion Sensor" built into Mac OS X?

If your 1tb drive had similar functionality built in (like most current WD drives have had for a few years), you WILL get a Kernel Panic if both Apple's and the drive's sensors activate at the same time.

Solution: shut off Apple's Sudden Motion Sensor (details on Apple's site).

I haven't read anything like this. Do you have link?

Does this mean this applies only to those who replace their primary drive with a WD drive? Or does this also affect those who just add another WD drive as their secondary drive?
DJMark 8:09 AM - 29 March, 2012
The issue is not obscure (it's been discussed here before) and affects any drive with its own built-in shock protection...not just WD drives.

The Apple article about how to turn off (or back on) the Apple built in SMS is here: support.apple.com

I have seen the Kernel Panic issue with WD drives when inserting or ejecting an express card esata adaptor on my MacBook pro...the issue stopped immediately after turning off the SMS and was in fact the last time I've had a Kernel Panic on that machine (over a year now).
nik39 10:19 AM - 29 March, 2012
Quote:
The issue is not obscure (it's been discussed here before) and affects any drive with its own built-in shock protection...not just WD drives.

Ah I remember. I think I might have asked the question before ;)

So this also happens when using a WD drive *not* being your primary drive, correct?
popnwave 1:21 PM - 29 March, 2012
I swear you guys must be hoarders with the size of library you are trying to carry around.

I've had 0 issues with the 1TB WD I put in as my secondary drive. 7200 isn't going to help that much with a bazillion files and a million crates, if you are not happy with performance now you need to just suck it up and go SSD.
Rick Hodgkins 1:27 PM - 29 March, 2012
And make sure the drives have 25% headroom, that one got me recently.

Went to a 1tb main with a full restore including my boot camp partician, worked perfectly.
Its a WD Blue 5400 and have no issues at all.
nik39 1:53 PM - 29 March, 2012
Quote:
bazillion files

Not when you play with videos.
djaction 2:10 PM - 29 March, 2012
and now seagate has announced 2TB laptop drives, 60TB desktop drives and soon to be released 30TB laptop drives
HYDRO MATIC 2:15 PM - 29 March, 2012
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and now seagate has announced 2TB laptop drives, 60TB desktop drives and soon to be released 30TB laptop drives



SMH

WOW

little riddiculous for your average consumer...
djaction 2:25 PM - 29 March, 2012
Quote:
Quote:
and now seagate has announced 2TB laptop drives, 60TB desktop drives and soon to be released 30TB laptop drives



SMH

WOW

little riddiculous for your average consumer...


I remember saying that when 1GB drives were first released. No computer tech advancement is ridiculous imo.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 2:29 PM - 29 March, 2012
Quote:
Are you guys seeing ridiculous drive prices lately? That flood is fuckin up my bottom line.

Drives i used to pay 150-200 for are going for 6-700 right now. Ugh. I hope it starts to come down after the summer like they are speculating, and it doesnt just stay up there like gas or some shit.


YYYYEEAAAHHh!!!!

I was waltzing by to pick up 2 - 2 TB Sata 3.5" drives, and I had to look twice like WTF? And decided to wait...

But I can't wait until after summer....that's gonna kill me.
Dj Nyce 2:36 PM - 29 March, 2012
big question is going to be price...
djaction 2:38 PM - 29 March, 2012
Quote:
big question is going to be price...


wont be that much more expensive.. the only difference is these new drives now have a laser that will heat up the platter
djaction 2:39 PM - 29 March, 2012
however a 30TB drive for DJ'ing *SHOULD* be good for a while
Dj Nyce 2:44 PM - 29 March, 2012
boo. only external's no internals.
Dj Nyce 2:45 PM - 29 March, 2012
djaction 2:46 PM - 29 March, 2012
Quote:
boo. only external's no internals.


from Western Digital.. however Seagate will be offering internal 2Tb and then later 30TB laptop drives.. obviously the other manufacturers will adapt this tech as well
Dj Nyce 2:51 PM - 29 March, 2012
i saw that was well. good look. i'll keep my eye on that.
CMOS 7:58 PM - 29 March, 2012
Seagate makes a 1TB 2.5" sata drive.

Model number ST91000640NS

www.seagate.com

www.cdw.com

Not sure if it will fit for you guys, but they do exist.
CMOS 7:59 PM - 29 March, 2012
Whoops meant to write 1tb 2.5' 7200rpm sata drive.
latindj 8:01 PM - 29 March, 2012
it won't fit...
dj-freestyle 8:02 PM - 29 March, 2012
that has to be new right, there werent any 2.5 7200 before right guys?
dj-freestyle 8:03 PM - 29 March, 2012
A 2.5 fits in a macbook, why wouldnt it work?
dj-freestyle 8:04 PM - 29 March, 2012
its not 9.5 mm i bet
dj-freestyle 8:06 PM - 29 March, 2012
Who is here installed a solid state where there cd drive was?
latindj 8:07 PM - 29 March, 2012
Quote:
its not 9.5 mm i bet


exactly, it's 15 mm...way too big! (that's what she said)
dj-freestyle 8:11 PM - 29 March, 2012
dawned on me as i was reading. i put a 1tb in my early 2008 and loved it. I had a 7200rpm and went to a 1tb 5400 and hoestly didnt notice any difference. i have a new macbook. couple weeks old and ordered a bay to replace my cd drive with a hard drive. i need help deciding with ssd to go with. i figure ill keep programs on that and videos on other drive. i also bought a thunderbolt external. holy crap its unreal. i loveeeeeee it
babooza69 8:11 PM - 29 March, 2012
Quote:
Seagate makes a 1TB 2.5" sata drive.

Model number ST91000640NS

www.seagate.com

www.cdw.com

Not sure if it will fit for you guys, but they do exist.

pple say it fits- discussions.apple.com
latindj 8:13 PM - 29 March, 2012
probably depends on what apple model you got...and size...
DJMark 8:16 PM - 29 March, 2012
I wouldn't put that Seagate server drive in a laptop for DJ-ing, even if it could be made to fit.

It's likely to run super-hot, draw more current than a normal laptop drive, and be far more susceptible to damage from vibration (because it isn't designed for mobile use).
dj-freestyle 8:19 PM - 29 March, 2012
Ya that would be huge power issues no way
djaction 8:24 PM - 29 March, 2012
also 1TB ssd drives are out too :D
dj-freestyle 8:33 PM - 29 March, 2012
Has anybody used a hybrid drive. seems like a cheaper solution
Rick Hodgkins 8:42 PM - 29 March, 2012
Quote:
Quote:
its not 9.5 mm i bet


exactly, it's 15 mm...way too big! (that's what she said)


I bet that would slide right into a $49 FW 800 enclosure?
www.amazon.com

You don't lose the usb port and the drive stays cooler.
djaction 8:45 PM - 29 March, 2012
boom! www.geek.com
latindj 8:47 PM - 29 March, 2012
Quote:
Has anybody used a hybrid drive. seems like a cheaper solution


yes. I've got the seagate one in a drive bay as my second drive...works like a champ. I run an ssd as the main drive...
HYDRO MATIC 8:48 PM - 29 March, 2012
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
its not 9.5 mm i bet


exactly, it's 15 mm...way too big! (that's what she said)


I bet that would slide right into a $49 FW 800 enclosure?
www.amazon.com

You don't lose the usb port and the drive stays cooler.


100% right I say.. made a habit years ago of opening anything that was broken before sending it off or trashing...

Had a lot of 3 bad external portable drives (from dj crew members)...heated one up got the music off one...swapped the boards out on the other two from smaller drives I had for my personal backup.

BOOM 2 free 1tb drives and $200 cash for rescuing the old muisc off each drive.

So I always just buy new drive componets and crack open the case to replace usually saves $40-50 bucks on each drive at least.
DJMark 9:15 PM - 29 March, 2012
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
its not 9.5 mm i bet


exactly, it's 15 mm...way too big! (that's what she said)


I bet that would slide right into a $49 FW 800 enclosure?
www.amazon.com

You don't lose the usb port and the drive stays cooler.


That drive would almost certainly need an enclosure with a fan to stay alive (not cook itself to an early death). Also I don't think it could be bus-powered (too much power needed).

And, very importantly, it's not anywhere near as vibration/shock resistant as a normal "laptop" type drive. Meaning bass vibrations would likely kill it.
dj-freestyle 3:22 PM - 30 March, 2012
If i replace my cd drive with a hyper drive i can just move serato and stuff over. no need to clone or do i need to clone to get my startup prgrams over to that drive?
dj-freestyle 3:23 PM - 30 March, 2012
what program do i need to move to the hyperdrive for start up?
Dj_Nix 7:09 PM - 30 March, 2012
plug and play
Dj_Nix 7:09 PM - 30 March, 2012
actually, it'll depend on your mbp model
popnwave 8:38 PM - 30 March, 2012
Getting a kit from a company like OWC:

eshop.macsales.com

Works superb, Honestly get an SSD for your OS so your boot times are under 10 seconds. Keep your library on a separate internal 1TB drive and you will be fine. My '09 MacBook Pro has yet to crash running OS X 10.7.3, SSL 2,3,3 and ME 2,0.

All I do is videos, and honestly with all of my current HIGH rotation stuff and about 1/4 of my 80's stuff converted I still have 375GB left on that 1TB drive.

Again, most people doing a 5-6 hour set are playing how many songs or videos per night? 65-85 depending on the track length. People seem to get so offended when you talk about bloated libraries. I doubt a night will fail if some obscure track gets requested and you don't play it.
Joee 8:51 PM - 30 March, 2012
Quote:
Getting a kit from a company like OWC:

eshop.macsales.com

Works superb, Honestly get an SSD for your OS so your boot times are under 10 seconds. Keep your library on a separate internal 1TB drive and you will be fine. My '09 MacBook Pro has yet to crash running OS X 10.7.3, SSL 2,3,3 and ME 2,0.

All I do is videos, and honestly with all of my current HIGH rotation stuff and about 1/4 of my 80's stuff converted I still have 375GB left on that 1TB drive.

Again, most people doing a 5-6 hour set are playing how many songs or videos per night? 65-85 depending on the track length. People seem to get so offended when you talk about bloated libraries. I doubt a night will fail if some obscure track gets requested and you don't play it.

guilty, i'm bloated..........lol, i have a 3TB drive
Dj Nyce 9:01 PM - 30 March, 2012
Quote:
Getting a kit from a company like OWC:

eshop.macsales.com

Works superb, Honestly get an SSD for your OS so your boot times are under 10 seconds. Keep your library on a separate internal 1TB drive and you will be fine. My '09 MacBook Pro has yet to crash running OS X 10.7.3, SSL 2,3,3 and ME 2,0.

All I do is videos, and honestly with all of my current HIGH rotation stuff and about 1/4 of my 80's stuff converted I still have 375GB left on that 1TB drive.

Again, most people doing a 5-6 hour set are playing how many songs or videos per night? 65-85 depending on the track length. People seem to get so offended when you talk about bloated libraries. I doubt a night will fail if some obscure track gets requested and you don't play it.


that's what i'm running. 512 mac ssd + 1tb samsung spinpoint m8. there are a few videos on my mac, but i keep the video library on a 2 TB ext HD (raid 0). only 1tb is in use, so i don't feel bloated.
DJ_X_Trodinaire 9:22 PM - 30 March, 2012
is 1tb the max HD available for this conversion? Are there any 2 or 3tb?

THanks
popnwave 9:25 PM - 30 March, 2012
1TB is as big as laptop drives get at the moment.
djaction 9:28 PM - 30 March, 2012
Quote:
is 1tb the max HD available for this conversion? Are there any 2 or 3tb?

THanks


read the thread.. 2TB and 30TB coming soon
djdalite 11:08 PM - 30 March, 2012
Quote:
Getting a kit from a company like OWC:

eshop.macsales.com

Works superb, Honestly get an SSD for your OS so your boot times are under 10 seconds. Keep your library on a separate internal 1TB drive and you will be fine. My '09 MacBook Pro has yet to crash running OS X 10.7.3, SSL 2,3,3 and ME 2,0.

All I do is videos, and honestly with all of my current HIGH rotation stuff and about 1/4 of my 80's stuff converted I still have 375GB left on that 1TB drive.

Again, most people doing a 5-6 hour set are playing how many songs or videos per night? 65-85 depending on the track length. People seem to get so offended when you talk about bloated libraries. I doubt a night will fail if some obscure track gets requested and you don't play it.

i feel you on that, my other dj friggin shows up with 4tb and wants me to buy him the lacie thunderbolt 7tb (in exhange for some trades) but really now how many vids can you get out of 1tb - prob like 8-9k
popnwave 12:05 AM - 31 March, 2012
Hell, back when I was bringing road cases of VHS tapes and Laserdiscs to the club before Pioneers first 2x DVD burner dropped to $1400, I could only lug about 1-2k video to the club :D
AKIEM 12:13 AM - 31 March, 2012
Quote:
Getting a kit from a company like OWC:

eshop.macsales.com

Works superb, Honestly get an SSD for your OS so your boot times are under 10 seconds. Keep your library on a separate internal 1TB drive and you will be fine. My '09 MacBook Pro has yet to crash running OS X 10.7.3, SSL 2,3,3 and ME 2,0.

All I do is videos, and honestly with all of my current HIGH rotation stuff and about 1/4 of my 80's stuff converted I still have 375GB left on that 1TB drive.

Again, most people doing a 5-6 hour set are playing how many songs or videos per night? 65-85 depending on the track length. People seem to get so offended when you talk about bloated libraries. I doubt a night will fail if some obscure track gets requested and you don't play it.


This how I've been doing it for several years now without issue
dj-freestyle 11:07 PM - 1 April, 2012
I put a 750 gig hybrid drive in my cd slot and its awesome. i used mce for the kit and it was so simple.
dj-freestyle 7:09 PM - 3 April, 2012
took plunge last night and replaced my regular hard drive with a 750 7200rpm hybrid drive so now i have 2 750gig 7200rpm hybrid drives in my macbook. its running awesome. so happy it all went smooth
djdalite 7:36 PM - 3 April, 2012
Quote:
took plunge last night and replaced my regular hard drive with a 750 7200rpm hybrid drive so now i have 2 750gig 7200rpm hybrid drives in my macbook. its running awesome. so happy it all went smooth

sweet, hows the read/write speed on those
dj-freestyle 7:40 PM - 3 April, 2012
its awesome, has 8 gigs of solid state witch for the money is fine i only really use serato on that machine so its learns witch programs you use most and places it in the solid state.
dj-freestyle 7:43 PM - 3 April, 2012
Love how easy it was to add a hard drive to the super drive spot. apple amazes me with its plug and play.
dj-freestyle 7:44 PM - 3 April, 2012
just make sure if you are cloning a drive with lion you read about the second partition for backup and make sure to undrstand all that since you dont have recoverys cds now its important to understand all that first
djdalite 7:58 PM - 3 April, 2012
Quote:
just make sure if you are cloning a drive with lion you read about the second partition for backup and make sure to undrstand all that since you dont have recoverys cds now its important to understand all that first

ya what did you do to copy over the OS and everything else?
WarpNote 7:59 PM - 3 April, 2012
Quote:
its awesome, has 8 gigs of solid state witch for the money is fine i only really use serato on that machine so its learns witch programs you use most and places it in the solid state.

What brand are you using freestyle? I installed a Seagate Momentus hybrid drive on a friends black macbook (system drive). But was later adviced against using those drives in macbooks. Not sure why, and he still use that drive...
dj-freestyle 8:13 PM - 3 April, 2012
its a momentus and ive used them in all 3 macbooks ive had over the years with no issues so who told you dont?
WarpNote 8:20 PM - 3 April, 2012
Actually the local store that sold them. Apparently they had some bad experiences.
Was going to get one for myself later on, but ended up getting a slower 1TB instead.
dj-freestyle 8:22 PM - 3 April, 2012
So far no issues and i had one on last macbook for 2 years with no issues so hopefully nothing. we will see i guess.
latindj 8:52 PM - 3 April, 2012
yes, like a hard drive gives a shit as to which computer you use it on...lol! a drive that's going to fail will fail...period.
WarpNote 4:19 AM - 4 April, 2012
Can't remember what the issue was, might have been something about the drive disabling sleep mode. Ie computer needed to be turned off before closed, some heat issue.

I just wanted to hear freestyle's experience with hybrid drives. As I said, I installed a similar drive in a friends black macbook over a year ago. He's got no issues with it, and been spinning on a weekly basis since. I also did optibay 1tb install for him, no issues there either.
HYDRO MATIC 2:53 PM - 4 April, 2012
WarpNote / dj-freestyle

Did the same install to the SUPERDRIVE slot in 2010 same drive...O issues so far...read/write times seems perfect...gigging 3-4 nights.

Definetly will be doing it again on the next comp as well.
Dj_Nix 4:18 PM - 4 April, 2012
seagates all the way
djdalite 4:26 PM - 4 April, 2012
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seagates all the way

unfortunately they don't offer 1tb in 2.5 sata
DJ'Que 5:13 PM - 4 April, 2012
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just bought two Samsung Spinpoint M8 1TB HD's for $109 /ea. best price you'll find anywhere. these drives are the bomb.com

8mb cache, 9.5mm and 5400 rpm. i have put 3 of these in other laptops as well and they are performing as just as good as WD's.

i also have (4) samsung 2TB 3.5" drives in a nas at home and they have been flawless.
got 3 of these in all my macbook pro's. Samsung Spinpoint M8 1TB HD's for $109
WarpNote 5:18 PM - 4 April, 2012
Thanks Hydro, might go with that drive for my next computer.
djaction 5:56 PM - 4 April, 2012
reviews.cnet.com

no word on pricing yet but i'd imagine around $1400
WarpNote 6:34 PM - 4 April, 2012
About $1100,- according to Gizmodo gizmodo.com
dj-freestyle 8:40 PM - 4 April, 2012
I have a seagate hybrid as I'm regular and one in my superdrive spot and gig 3 times a weekend and no issues. none
Henry GQ 11:14 PM - 7 April, 2012
im waiting for 3tb now lol
DJ Unique 11:18 PM - 7 April, 2012
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im waiting for 3tb now lol

+1

HaHaHa...
DJMark 8:51 PM - 8 April, 2012
I'm waiting for ANYTHING above 1 TB at this point.

Down to 3.87gb free...

BTW it works just fine when that full.
djaction 8:28 PM - 12 April, 2012
anyone know if the samsung spintpoint 1TB drives have a built in motion sensor like the WD's?
nik39 2:35 AM - 13 April, 2012
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I'm waiting for ANYTHING above 1 TB at this point.

+1

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Down to 3.87gb free...

I'm at 10GB :(
Dj Nyce 4:45 AM - 13 April, 2012
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anyone know if the samsung spintpoint 1TB drives have a built in motion sensor like the WD's?


none of the specs or reviews indicate that it the M8 line had a free-fall sensor. the seagate (seagate purchased samsung HDD division) line does have free-fall sensors tho.
Jay aay 6:45 PM - 17 April, 2012
I just put a SSD in macbook pro
Can any1 tell me if i can use my 750gb HDD as external hardisk via usb
Pls guide the setup/cable(s) and provide useful links
latindj 8:31 PM - 17 April, 2012
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I just put a SSD in macbook pro

Can any1 tell me if i can use my 750gb HDD as external hardisk via usb

Pls guide the setup/cable(s) and provide useful links


no problem. just send me $29.99 to my paypal and check out the instructions right here: lmgtfy.com
Joee 12:53 AM - 18 April, 2012
^^^^ what he said, but if your to lazy to look, i'll help you out----> eshop.macsales.com
Jay aay 4:53 AM - 18 April, 2012
Oh i was searching with name of mac

Thanks joee & dj you saved my hardrive (:
SiRocket 8:54 PM - 25 April, 2012
is there where i can get my amanda rose drops?
DJ GOOK 11:06 PM - 25 April, 2012
lol
Maver1ck 7:18 PM - 27 April, 2012
If you replace the internal stock drive with a 1tb how does the macbook boot up? Do you install the OS on the new drive before you install it some how?
Dj Nyce 7:36 PM - 27 April, 2012
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If you replace the internal stock drive with a 1tb how does the macbook boot up? Do you install the OS on the new drive before you install it some how?


if you want to replace your boot drive you have to either clone the old one to the new one or perform a fresh osx install.

either way you'll want to back up your mac before you start.
dj-freestyle 10:12 PM - 27 April, 2012
ya clone with super duper or one of those and also if you are cloning lion make sure you also copy the rescue partition to
GOOP 4:18 PM - 20 May, 2012
Discussion too long to read the whole thing, but I successfully installed a WD Scorpio Blue 1TB into my early 2008 (pre-unibody) MBP. I did NOT use the standard internal mounting system. I just laid it in the HD bay, add a few pieces of thin foam for padding. It was a TIGHT fit, but works.

Either way, you'll need an external drive case and Super Duper! to clone your hard drive. You can do it either way; swap drives then copy external to internal or internal to external then swap afterwards.
DJ_X_Trodinaire 6:16 PM - 20 May, 2012
Replaced both my main and optical drive.

120gb SSD for the main and 1TB replaced the optical drive.

I did a fresh install.
so far so good.t My macbook pro 17 (2009) up and running for two days now re-analyzing my files (External HD) and it crashed 1 time. Not sure what it was but its been running for approximately 17 hours and still going again.

FYI for anyone who is replacing both main HD and the optical drive at the same time, do not do it LOL
If you are doing a fresh install, replace the main HD FIRST, install OS X and then replace the optical drive.

I thought i did the right thing by copying the Install Disc to a USB thumb drive, but when i booted the mac, it would not accept it. So i had to put back the optical drive to do the fresh install from the CD.

<Bang Head Here>

So instead of a 2+ hour installation time, it could have been 10+ minutes hardware install and 20-30+ minutes osx installation.
DJMark 10:27 PM - 20 May, 2012
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Discussion too long to read the whole thing, but I successfully installed a WD Scorpio Blue 1TB into my early 2008 (pre-unibody) MBP. I did NOT use the standard internal mounting system. I just laid it in the HD bay, add a few pieces of thin foam for padding. It was a TIGHT fit, but works.


Unless you bought one of the older 12.5mm-height 1TB 5200rpm drives (not the newer 9.5mm 5400rpm version that's been around for about a year), I'm not understanding why you opted for a "home-brew" mounting.

I hope none of your padding is pressing into the top of the drive (the side with the printed information), because if so that can cause major problems.
Dj-M.Bezzle 2:58 AM - 21 May, 2012
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Discussion too long to read the whole thing, but I successfully installed a WD Scorpio Blue 1TB into my early 2008 (pre-unibody) MBP. I did NOT use the standard internal mounting system. I just laid it in the HD bay, add a few pieces of thin foam for padding. It was a TIGHT fit, but works.



that would scare the shit out of me!!!
dj-freestyle 3:45 PM - 21 May, 2012
That sounds ghetto as hell and i hope you arent doing paid gigs for people becasue when that fails you are screwed.
Manny C dot com 9:38 PM - 12 November, 2012
DJ_X_Trodinaire 9:49 PM - 12 November, 2012
Geeze price drop!
Dj Wunder 9:57 PM - 12 November, 2012


No kidding! Spent $20 more on my 750GB, but got double the cache and faster spin so I'm happy
djkurve 10:44 PM - 12 November, 2012
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for the last 4-5 months I have been delicately balancing my library to keep it under 750GB (700 to leave some room on the drive)

that usually means adding 30 videos a week and deleting 150 shit MP3s that I have no business playing out


I think every digital DJ must have an era where they go download crazy adding more than is even possible to listen to in the amount of time it takes to acquire. I'm paying the price for that now. I don't even look online for new music anymore. When I dig, It is my own library. For new stuff, I can afford to wait until the cream rises to the top.

That is one of the reasons I love being a Video DJ. I am less exposed to crap music. If a song is really good (for playing in a club set), they usually make a video for it. That being said, I still have to sort through lots of crap videos.

+1
nik39 11:03 PM - 12 November, 2012
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That is one of the reasons I love being a Video DJ. I am less exposed to crap music. If a song is really good (for playing in a club set), they usually make a video for it.

True.

But there are soooo many nice tracks (album cuts) where no video exist :(

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That being said, I still have to sort through lots of crap videos.

Same here...



Dang.. I was hoping for a 1.5TB drive. :(
Dj Scarface 3:11 AM - 18 November, 2012
in a 17" macbook pro


instagram.com
djkurve 3:44 AM - 18 November, 2012
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in a 17" macbook pro


instagram.com


What website did you buy that 2TB from?
DJ_X_Trodinaire 3:56 AM - 18 November, 2012
Just found it on newegg
www.newegg.com
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 4:13 AM - 18 November, 2012


8MB Cache?

Stop playin.....
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 4:14 AM - 18 November, 2012
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No kidding! Spent $20 more on my 750GB, but got double the cache and faster spin so I'm happy



BOOM!!!!

I got the 750GB @ 7200 and 16MB cache....
DJMark 4:41 AM - 18 November, 2012
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8MB Cache?

Stop playin.....


Stop misinforming.

Your "information" about 5400 rpm drives is 5 or more years out of date.

I've been using 8mb cache/5400rpm drives WITH VIDEOS for several years now and they work JUST FINE.
DJMark 4:43 AM - 18 November, 2012
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in a 17" macbook pro


instagram.com


I have that same drive, though I use it in an external FW case (as backup).

My concern about the 2TB 15mm drive inside a Macbook Pro:

There's not a lot of available clearance in there under the bottom pan, and if the bottom pan is pushing into the top of the drive at all it could cause a (very) premature failure.
DJMark 5:01 AM - 18 November, 2012
Also, I notice "DJ Trixter" is claiming 4gb in the MBP. I don't see any way that's possible without modifying the case. The optical-bay hard drive brackets only allow clearance for a standard-height 9.5mm drive.
Henry GQ 12:09 AM - 20 November, 2012
wow. could u imagine a 4tb in a macbook pro. i could finally get rid of my external!!!!!!!
MusicMeister 4:02 AM - 26 November, 2012
I'll let you know come Tuesday - my stuff comes in then. ;)
Alixx J 5:21 PM - 28 December, 2012
For those that have done this mod, i need a bit of help with getting the superdrive to be seen in Finder as an external DVD drive, I've put it into an enclosure, but it doesn't show up?
AKIEM 5:27 PM - 28 December, 2012
I tried mine in an external enclosure first.
dj-freestyle 5:56 PM - 28 December, 2012
Who did you order it from?
AKIEM 5:58 PM - 28 December, 2012
I did it years ago and don't really remember if it was EMC opti-bay or something like that
Alixx J 6:06 PM - 28 December, 2012
It's an external enclosure that i put the superdrive into, bizarre that it can't be seen by finder.

It was a cheepo from Ebay that looks like the apple one, so not a biggie if it's a dud. It does accept a CD/ ejects when I restart my laptop with it connected, but it won't mount?

I've looked around online and since found that external superdrives are not supported on most machines apart from the ones without CD drives (air/retina/mini), there also seems to be a few hacks to get around it, but I was hoping someone on here had got it working ok and a hack wasn't needed.
dj-freestyle 6:14 PM - 28 December, 2012
ya funny part is i did same thing last year and now im in same boat he is. I think the operating system might have something to do with it.
WarpNote 6:33 PM - 28 December, 2012
I got a samsung external cd drive, works well on all my mac's and PC's
Alixx J 6:45 PM - 28 December, 2012
Yeah think I'll have to go with a branded one that advertises itself as supported... not complaining with the swap out, used my new internal drive for video for nearly 2 months and this is the first time i've tried to use the CD drive!
phatbob 12:49 AM - 29 December, 2012
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I got a samsung external cd drive, works well on all my mac's and PC's


I got a Samsung too. Works on all my Macs and was only about £30 or something. I've actually found it to be more reliable for burning than my SuperDrives.
dj-freestyle 1:44 AM - 29 December, 2012
Thats what i finally did. they are cheap and you can get a blue ray one cheap
DJJorel 5:44 AM - 29 December, 2012
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For those that have done this mod, i need a bit of help with getting the superdrive to be seen in Finder as an external DVD drive, I've put it into an enclosure, but it doesn't show up?



I'm not trying to be funny....but did you try putting a DVD into the drive?

...unfortunately I learned this from experience...I reseated the connection in the enclosure twice before I realized you had to put media in for the drive to mount...
WarpNote 6:12 PM - 29 December, 2012
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I got a samsung external cd drive, works well on all my mac's and PC's


I got a Samsung too. Works on all my Macs and was only about £30 or something. I've actually found it to be more reliable for burning than my SuperDrives.

Yeah I bought it when I was going to rip my cd collection, far better than the built in super drive...
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 1:50 AM - 30 December, 2012
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Quote:


8MB Cache?

Stop playin.....


Stop misinforming.

Your "information" about 5400 rpm drives is 5 or more years out of date.

I've been using 8mb cache/5400rpm drives WITH VIDEOS for several years now and they work JUST FINE.


Apparently, you aren't used to using products at a Premium level...
Alixx J 4:11 PM - 30 December, 2012
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Quote:
For those that have done this mod, i need a bit of help with getting the superdrive to be seen in Finder as an external DVD drive, I've put it into an enclosure, but it doesn't show up?



I'm not trying to be funny....but did you try putting a DVD into the drive?

...unfortunately I learned this from experience...I reseated the connection in the enclosure twice before I realized you had to put media in for the drive to mount...


Yep I added a DVD with a few audio tracks and a bit of software, it would accept the DVD, but nothing would show up in the devices list in finder...
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